The Trade Back

jcp026 · 04-12-2013, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So your willing to make the 49ers a better team so we can get lower draft choices? See, there is the other hitch... Are you willing to give a rival and someone you could possibly face in the NFC Championship game a leg up?

I will leave you with these teams that traded down and could probably choke them selves for it now:

Chargers traded away Eli Manning
Rams trade away Bettis
New England traded away Jerry Rice
Colts traded away Marshall Faulk
Seahawks traded away Dorsett
Falcons swapped with Chargers to Got Vick instead of Tomlinson

I'm interested in making us better at the expense of making the 49ers better.

burningmetal · 04-12-2013, 08:31 AM

There are certainly no shortage of possibilities, fellas. I'm definitely not worried about the ability to trade down, it it becomes necessary. I'm just curious as to how the Saints will play it. They have been impossible to predict.

burningmetal · 04-12-2013, 10:16 AM

Oak, you're missing the point everyone is making. I'm not saying you have to agree with it. But the point is not about getting a lower pick. It's about getting MORE picks. We don't lose a first round choice, we simply pick a little lower, while acquiring an extra pick.

Now, I do agree with your sentiment above that you don't want to do business with a rival. It's one thing to trade with a team who you will play, but not with a team who you're likely going to have to beat somewhere down the road if you want to win the Superbowl... With one exception. If the Niners were to offer several picks just to get our #15, you can't pass that up. Doubt that would happen though.

TheOak · 04-12-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Oak, you're missing the point everyone is making. I'm not saying you have to agree with it. But the point is not about getting a lower pick. It's about getting MORE picks. We don't lose a first round choice, we simply pick a little lower, while acquiring an extra pick.

Now, I do agree with your sentiment above that you don't want to do business with a rival. It's one thing to trade with a team who you will play, but not with a team who you're likely going to have to beat somewhere down the road if you want to win the Superbowl... With one exception. If the Niners were to offer several picks just to get our #15, you can't pass that up. Doubt that would happen though.

I haven't missed any point Burning..

More doesn't equate to better. When the starting potential drops heavily from pick 15 to pick 45, and a team is in "need", I do not see the value. Unless the value is for a team that needs a project QB more than a starting LT.

FinSaint · 04-12-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

More doesn't equate to better. When the starting potential drops heavily from pick 15 to pick 45, and a team is in "need", I do not see the value. Unless the value is for a team that needs a project QB more than a starting LT.

Not as true this year with the spread out talent of the draft class.

saintfan · 04-12-2013, 11:49 AM

zoltar26 · 04-12-2013, 12:08 PM

We need to sell teams on the idea of being interested on Austin or Patterson to try and make the Rams or Vikings want to bite if they are there at 15. Which at least one of them will be.

alleycat_126 · 04-12-2013, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by zoltar26

We need to sell teams on the idea of being interested on Austin or Patterson to try and make the Rams or Vikings want to bite if they are there at 15. Which at least one of them will be.

I love this idea!!! Why because both teams have multiple first round picks and are talents starved. This is a no brainer that we pit both teams against each other for Austin services. Hell one of them might be interested enough to fork over both of the first rounders in there possession!!!

Shoe. · 04-12-2013, 12:39 PM

How does the draft value chart work regarding next year's picks being used with this year's picks/Ivory in a big package deal, say if we wanted to move up instead of down? I understand my n00b may be showing here, but we did have Johnson in for a workout and Payton is on record about the LT/losing sleep thing. Is this just extremely wishful thinking? It seems we've brought in several FAs, and a smaller draft class does mean less $$ to pay out. Sorry if this is a dumb scenario, just wondering if SP/ML might zig instead of zag

Danno · 04-12-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

How does the draft value chart work regarding next year's picks being used with this year's picks/Ivory in a big package deal, say if we wanted to move up instead of down? I understand my n00b may be showing here, but we did have Johnson in for a workout and Payton is on record about the LT/losing sleep thing. Is this just extremely wishful thinking? It seems we've brought in several FAs, and a smaller draft class does mean less $$ to pay out. Sorry if this is a dumb scenario, just wondering if SP/ML might zig instead of zag

Great question and the guys on NFL radio addressed this the other day...

History has shown that there's an entire round difference when you include the following year's draft.

ie...

If you give someone your 3rd rounder this year, you'll get their 2nd rounder next year.

04-12-2013, 06:19 PM	#1
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 952	Re: The Trade Back Originally Posted by TheOak So your willing to make the 49ers a better team so we can get lower draft choices? See, there is the other hitch... Are you willing to give a rival and someone you could possibly face in the NFC Championship game a leg up? I will leave you with these teams that traded down and could probably choke them selves for it now: Chargers traded away Eli Manning Rams trade away Bettis New England traded away Jerry Rice Colts traded away Marshall Faulk Seahawks traded away Dorsett Falcons swapped with Chargers to Got Vick instead of Tomlinson I'm interested in making us better at the expense of making the 49ers better.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 952

04-12-2013, 08:31 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Trade Back There are certainly no shortage of possibilities, fellas. I'm definitely not worried about the ability to trade down, it it becomes necessary. I'm just curious as to how the Saints will play it. They have been impossible to predict.

04-12-2013, 10:16 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Trade Back Oak, you're missing the point everyone is making. I'm not saying you have to agree with it. But the point is not about getting a lower pick. It's about getting MORE picks. We don't lose a first round choice, we simply pick a little lower, while acquiring an extra pick. Now, I do agree with your sentiment above that you don't want to do business with a rival. It's one thing to trade with a team who you will play, but not with a team who you're likely going to have to beat somewhere down the road if you want to win the Superbowl... With one exception. If the Niners were to offer several picks just to get our #15, you can't pass that up. Doubt that would happen though.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2013, 11:36 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: The Trade Back Originally Posted by burningmetal Oak, you're missing the point everyone is making. I'm not saying you have to agree with it. But the point is not about getting a lower pick. It's about getting MORE picks. We don't lose a first round choice, we simply pick a little lower, while acquiring an extra pick. Now, I do agree with your sentiment above that you don't want to do business with a rival. It's one thing to trade with a team who you will play, but not with a team who you're likely going to have to beat somewhere down the road if you want to win the Superbowl... With one exception. If the Niners were to offer several picks just to get our #15, you can't pass that up. Doubt that would happen though. I haven't missed any point Burning.. More doesn't equate to better. When the starting potential drops heavily from pick 15 to pick 45, and a team is in "need", I do not see the value. Unless the value is for a team that needs a project QB more than a starting LT.

04-12-2013, 12:17 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: The Trade Back Originally Posted by TheOak More doesn't equate to better. When the starting potential drops heavily from pick 15 to pick 45, and a team is in "need", I do not see the value. Unless the value is for a team that needs a project QB more than a starting LT. Not as true this year with the spread out talent of the draft class. TheOak likes this.

04-12-2013, 11:49 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Trade Back UK_WhoDat, TheOak and FinSaint like this.

04-12-2013, 12:08 PM	#7
zoltar26 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Haughton, LA Posts: 20	Re: The Trade Back We need to sell teams on the idea of being interested on Austin or Patterson to try and make the Rams or Vikings want to bite if they are there at 15. Which at least one of them will be.

04-12-2013, 09:13 PM	#8
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: The Trade Back Originally Posted by zoltar26 We need to sell teams on the idea of being interested on Austin or Patterson to try and make the Rams or Vikings want to bite if they are there at 15. Which at least one of them will be. I love this idea!!! Why because both teams have multiple first round picks and are talents starved. This is a no brainer that we pit both teams against each other for Austin services. Hell one of them might be interested enough to fork over both of the first rounders in there possession!!! jcp026 likes this.

04-12-2013, 12:39 PM	#9
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: The Trade Back How does the draft value chart work regarding next year's picks being used with this year's picks/Ivory in a big package deal, say if we wanted to move up instead of down? I understand my n00b may be showing here, but we did have Johnson in for a workout and Payton is on record about the LT/losing sleep thing. Is this just extremely wishful thinking? It seems we've brought in several FAs, and a smaller draft class does mean less $$ to pay out. Sorry if this is a dumb scenario, just wondering if SP/ML might zig instead of zag Danno likes this.

04-12-2013, 01:21 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: The Trade Back Originally Posted by Shoe. How does the draft value chart work regarding next year's picks being used with this year's picks/Ivory in a big package deal, say if we wanted to move up instead of down? I understand my n00b may be showing here, but we did have Johnson in for a workout and Payton is on record about the LT/losing sleep thing. Is this just extremely wishful thinking? It seems we've brought in several FAs, and a smaller draft class does mean less $$ to pay out. Sorry if this is a dumb scenario, just wondering if SP/ML might zig instead of zag Great question and the guys on NFL radio addressed this the other day... History has shown that there's an entire round difference when you include the following year's draft. ie... If you give someone your 3rd rounder this year, you'll get their 2nd rounder next year. Shoe. likes this.

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