Vilma in our 3-4 scheme

4everSaint · 04-14-2013, 05:19 AM

Just wondering how/what his role will be to make him more successful in our 3-4 vs. when he was a Jet and struggled with it. Thoughts?

hagan714 · 04-14-2013, 06:36 AM

he struggled in the middle so I expect to seem him outside which should work fairly well. right now i would list him as our best pass coverage LB. It will be interesting to watch after an off season with no major rehab.

FinSaint · 04-14-2013, 08:24 AM

The Jets ran a bit different type of a 3-4 back then than what Rob Ryan is going to run in New Orleans now, so I think Vilma will fit into the scheme, just not as an every down LB.

|Mitch| · 04-14-2013, 09:37 AM

Ryan switches between formations frequently, so Vilma will see the field some I suppose... 3-4, 4-3 personnel "46", and his Psycho 1-5-5 formation

Danno · 04-14-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The Jets ran a bit different type of a 3-4 back then than what Rob Ryan is going to run in New Orleans now, so I think Vilma will fit into the scheme, just not as an every down LB.

Yep, the WILB in Ryan's 3-4 is nearly identical to the WILL in a 4-3.

Lofton is the one I'm worried about.

blackangold · 04-14-2013, 11:08 AM

Vilma should either play ILB next to Lofton or ride the bench and wait for passing situations to get in coverage. OLB would be an awful fit; he's undersized for the OLB positions. At 230 Vilma would get crushed on running plays and now lacks explosiveness to be a pass rusher. What he does have going for him is the instincts and knowledge of the game.

Vilma best place on the team is coaching our young talent.

Rugby Saint II · 04-14-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yep, the WILB in Ryan's 3-4 is nearly identical to the WILL in a 4-3.

Lofton is the one I'm worried about.

What exactly has you worried Danno?

Danno · 04-14-2013, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

What exactly has you worried Danno?

He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB.

Rugby Saint II · 04-14-2013, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB.

Thank you for that insight!

As of yet no one has mentioned that Rex is probably getting a little feed back about the inside scoop in regards to the Saints running back Chris Ivory.

rezburna · 04-14-2013, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB.

I was thinking the same thing, but I believe he'll be fine. His true weakness is pass coverage. I see Vilma as a weakside outside linebacker rotating with Martez Wilson, Gallete or Butler being our strong side pass rusher. Lofton and Hawthorne in the middle. I expect a big improvement from Hawthorne. I'm beginng to hope we draft Vacarro, get rid of Harper and move Jenkins to the SS.

04-14-2013, 05:19 AM	#1
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 831	Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Just wondering how/what his role will be to make him more successful in our 3-4 vs. when he was a Jet and struggled with it. Thoughts?

04-14-2013, 06:36 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme he struggled in the middle so I expect to seem him outside which should work fairly well. right now i would list him as our best pass coverage LB. It will be interesting to watch after an off season with no major rehab. jeanpierre and Joker like this.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme The Jets ran a bit different type of a 3-4 back then than what Rob Ryan is going to run in New Orleans now, so I think Vilma will fit into the scheme, just not as an every down LB.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Ryan switches between formations frequently, so Vilma will see the field some I suppose... 3-4, 4-3 personnel "46", and his Psycho 1-5-5 formation
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Originally Posted by FinSaint The Jets ran a bit different type of a 3-4 back then than what Rob Ryan is going to run in New Orleans now, so I think Vilma will fit into the scheme, just not as an every down LB. Yep, the WILB in Ryan's 3-4 is nearly identical to the WILL in a 4-3. Lofton is the one I'm worried about.

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04-14-2013, 11:08 AM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Vilma should either play ILB next to Lofton or ride the bench and wait for passing situations to get in coverage. OLB would be an awful fit; he's undersized for the OLB positions. At 230 Vilma would get crushed on running plays and now lacks explosiveness to be a pass rusher. What he does have going for him is the instincts and knowledge of the game. Vilma best place on the team is coaching our young talent. Joker likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Originally Posted by Danno Yep, the WILB in Ryan's 3-4 is nearly identical to the WILL in a 4-3. Lofton is the one I'm worried about. What exactly has you worried Danno?

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II What exactly has you worried Danno? He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Originally Posted by Danno He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB. Thank you for that insight! As of yet no one has mentioned that Rex is probably getting a little feed back about the inside scoop in regards to the Saints running back Chris Ivory.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Vilma in our 3-4 scheme Originally Posted by Danno He's always played MLB in a 4-3. He hasn't played in a base 3-4 scheme yet, and playing that SILB spot is a lot different than a 4-3 MLB. Its the same thing Vilma tried to do but didn't do well. Vilma did OK, but went from an A-player to a B-player with that same transition. Lofton is only a tad bigger than Vilma, 1 inch shorter but 10 pounds heavier. He'll be taking on OG's a lot more than he did at MLB. I was thinking the same thing, but I believe he'll be fine. His true weakness is pass coverage. I see Vilma as a weakside outside linebacker rotating with Martez Wilson, Gallete or Butler being our strong side pass rusher. Lofton and Hawthorne in the middle. I expect a big improvement from Hawthorne. I'm beginng to hope we draft Vacarro, get rid of Harper and move Jenkins to the SS.

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