Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety

Danno · 04-26-2013, 08:00 AM

Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round?

They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins.

It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did.

I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus.

dizzle88 · 04-26-2013, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round?

They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins.

It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did.

I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus.

I have a feeling that we will try to package Roman Harper and Chris Ivory in a trade to get into the second round, I like roman harper but with drafting vaccaro the writing may be on the wall for one of our safeties and he has the largest cap hit

jeanpierre · 04-26-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round?

We've been pounding the table that we've got to quit screwing the pooch in Round 1...

Originally Posted by Danno

They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins.

We can only pray - don't say anything though, Saints FO may start pulling a Mora to show up the very fans that financially support them...

Originally Posted by Danno

It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did.

That's valid, but I'd like to take this another way...

I'd like to see 40 yd sprints, shuttle runs, hell, all drills done in full pads!!!

(F*** the collective bargaining agreement, get is modified, throw in an extra million per team salary cap)...

Originally Posted by Danno

I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus.

I'd prefer Jones if we had to pass on Ogletree who's now playing for the...RAMS!!!

lsutigerfan · 04-26-2013, 08:18 AM

No matter who we take there's always gonna be someone who doesnt agree. This was a very solid pick. Only time will tell though.

TheOak · 04-26-2013, 08:33 AM

My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling.

Danno · 04-26-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling.

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

dizzle88 · 04-26-2013, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

Its kind of strange because if you watch his game film he doesn't look like a 4.63 guy
One thing I have learnt about him is the that he set the best time at the combine for 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill, that means that he can change direction quickly and probably explains why he's had success playing nickel

Training camp is too long away!

TheOak · 04-26-2013, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins.

I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

If he can jump routes we don't need him to keep up .

The 40yd is as much about coming off the blocks as it is about true speed, which is why those that ran track usually fair better in the combine than those that do not.

If he can catch people on tape he is fast enough.

WhoDatQB · 04-26-2013, 10:55 AM

I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft.

San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was.

This way you now have two safeties that can play free safety, strong safety and corner nickel. Much easier to hide coverages with Jenkins and Vacarro than with harper. Jenkins downfall came from Spag's scheme, Harper was never what we thought he would be when we drafted him.

papz · 04-26-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft.

San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was.

Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

04-26-2013, 08:00 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round? They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins. It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did. I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus. saintfan, RockyMountainSaint, dizzle88 and 5 others like this.

04-26-2013, 08:34 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round? They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins. It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did. I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus. I have a feeling that we will try to package Roman Harper and Chris Ivory in a trade to get into the second round, I like roman harper but with drafting vaccaro the writing may be on the wall for one of our safeties and he has the largest cap hit

04-26-2013, 04:29 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno Wow, do they realize its only been 1 round? We've been pounding the table that we've got to quit screwing the pooch in Round 1... Originally Posted by Danno They may try to trade up to land Jamie Collins. We can only pray - don't say anything though, Saints FO may start pulling a Mora to show up the very fans that financially support them... Originally Posted by Danno It was said numerous times that this is a deep draft. Jarvis Jones ran a slower time than any successful NFL OLB playing today. Not a single OLB in the league today ran a 40 time as slow as he did. That's valid, but I'd like to take this another way... I'd like to see 40 yd sprints, shuttle runs, hell, all drills done in full pads!!! (F* the collective bargaining agreement, get is modified, throw in an extra million per team salary cap)... Originally Posted by Danno** I was hoping we didn't pick Jones when our pick was announced. I wanted DT but this was a great pick. I'd say A-minus. I'd prefer Jones if we had to pass on Ogletree who's now playing for the...RAMS!!!
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04-26-2013, 08:18 AM	#4
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety No matter who we take there's always gonna be someone who doesnt agree. This was a very solid pick. Only time will tell though.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by TheOak My only concern is the conflicting reports that I have read on Vaccaros tackling. I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro.

04-26-2013, 08:43 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro. Its kind of strange because if you watch his game film he doesn't look like a 4.63 guy One thing I have learnt about him is the that he set the best time at the combine for 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill, that means that he can change direction quickly and probably explains why he's had success playing nickel Training camp is too long away! ClintSaints likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by Danno I'm more worried about the 4.63 40 time. Thats slower than Harper and Jenkins. I know 40 times are way over-rated, but thats basically my only worry about Vacarro. If he can jump routes we don't need him to keep up . The 40yd is as much about coming off the blocks as it is about true speed, which is why those that ran track usually fair better in the combine than those that do not. If he can catch people on tape he is fast enough. Danno likes this.

04-26-2013, 10:55 AM	#9
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft. San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was. This way you now have two safeties that can play free safety, strong safety and corner nickel. Much easier to hide coverages with Jenkins and Vacarro than with harper. Jenkins downfall came from Spag's scheme, Harper was never what we thought he would be when we drafted him.

04-26-2013, 11:16 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Handwerger: Saints seem to have missed opportunity by taking safety Originally Posted by WhoDatQB I don't think Vaccaro was a reach at 15. He was the considered by all the best Safety in the draft. San Fran moved up to 18 to grab Eric Reid who was not considered the talent that Vacarro was. Coming to Reid's defense, prior to his underachieving senior season(expectations were sky high), he was arguably the top safety in the nation. He's just as athletic if not more than Vaccaro and possess a high football IQ w/o any baggage. He was a sure fire first round pick. His selection by the 49ers goes to show teams do their due diligence and just don't base things off a single game or season. Their isn't a big disparity in their talent as many would think in my honest opinion.

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