O-line question

saintfan · 09-24-2004, 10:06 PM

So you\'re argument here is basically - Brooks got pressure SOME TIMES last year and that explains ALL of his fumbles, miscues, etc for the last 3 years.

Ummm...no. Having a comprehension problem today? I\'m saying that his being pressured...severly at times, is not now nor has it ever been part of the \"Bash Brooks\" equation.

WhoDat · 09-25-2004, 06:35 PM

Nor is it part of your Bash Deuce theory - so I guess that\'s fitting.

The basic problem is that you still contend that those of us who were not as high on AB as you were have a personal agenda that somehow translates into us wanting to see AB run out of town. That simply isn\'t true now, nor has it ever been. I want to see the Saints win and I want to see the best player on the field. I\'m not sure that AB has always represented our best chance of winning at the QB position.

Further, you want to suggest that we criticize AB simply b/c we don\'t like him. Again, not true. Much of the pressure AB felt in previous years was either A) average compared to what other QBs in the league felt and he therefore can be expected to handle it better than he has in certain cases, or B) a result of his indecisiveness or \"backing out of protection.\"

There is no doubt our line has missed blocks over the last few years on many ocassions. However, I don\'t think that it is seen in NO more often then most other places in the league. The run blocking I\'m seeing so far this season is the worst blocking period that I have seen in NO since Haslett got here. Can you argue that?

Moreover, the pass blocking has been generally good quite some time here. In fact, I would go so far aas to say that our O-line has been the most consistent in its play of any other unit on the team in the last 4 years. Can you argue that?

saintfan · 09-25-2004, 08:57 PM

I\'m not saying the pass blocking has always sucked, but then you know that because you read what I typed. You refuse to look at the issue I\"m bringing to the table, which is, regardless of the scenario, Brooks has been held accountable for the fortunes of this team. Blocking, pass dropping, play calling...all these things are being brought up now in an efford to defend the poor play of Deuce, but never seemed to matter much before.

Say what you will to save face, but you know this every bit as well as I do...sometimes you even admit it...which is more than I can say for some of your moonshine brethren.

WhoDat · 09-25-2004, 11:35 PM

Brooks has been held accountable for his play. A guy who hold out after 1 year as a starter and proclaims himself as a top 5 guy damn well better produce. He didn\'t... he has started to play better, but his play remains inconsistent. You know that. There\'s a reason more than half the experts out there this year said that AB is inconsistent and how he goes the Saints will go. This team is poorly coached and incredibly inconsistent in its play. That is not AB\'s fault - but his up and down play certainly has not helped - in fact, at times it has cost games. Personally, I cannot point to any player other than Brooks in the last three years who I thought singlehandedly lost a game for this team. Nor can I point to any other who I thought singlehandedly won a game. That\'s the nature of the position. The guy wanted to be the star, he wanted to be the front man. Congratulations, he got exactly what he wanted. Now you want me to apologize or feel sorry for a guy who is catching a lot of flak for his play and this team\'s play? Won\'t happen. AB is getting exactly what he deserves - exactly what comes with that big salary he didn\'t deserve when he got it and the spotlight that HE asked for.

BrooksMustGo · 09-26-2004, 01:10 AM

AB is getting exactly what he deserves - exactly what comes with that big salary he didn\'t deserve when he got it and the spotlight that HE asked for.

Precisely. Again WhoDat is doing a fine job of cutting through all the poo and getting to the relevant issue at hand. Bravo WhoDat! :rockon:
It\'s awfully hard to feel sorry for a cat who shot off his mouth only to discover that he\'s not in shouting distance of being as good as he thinks he is. Cry me a river.

:kerry:

saintfan · 09-26-2004, 09:46 AM

Brooks has been held accountable for his play.

I have no problem with this. I do like to point it out tho when you guys hold him accountable for the TEAM\'S play. Refusing to acknowledge dropped passes, as an example, for the better part of two years before admiting, finally, towards the end of last year, that it was a problem is what I\'m getting at.

WhoDat · 09-26-2004, 10:01 AM

It wasn\'t a problem two years ago. It was last year. That we acknowledged it last year shows we\'re fair. Maybe you hadn\'t noticed, but I\'m big for trends. If the WRs drop passes in one game I may say - man those guys dropped some balls. If it happens in two I\'d probably say - the dropped passes are not good. This needs to change or it is going to become a real problem. After that if it continues, I\'m on them.

Want examples? This season I\'m already on the TEs for their all-around poor play both with too many drops in the passing game and some horrid blocking especially from Boo. I\'m also on the O-line. Two games of terrible blocking in what is supposed to be their strong suit has me real worried. They need to pick it up or this will become a major problem. Finally, notice how I treated Brooks. In week 1 I said he looked rusty on off and made some poor deep throws and missed open receivers at costly times (Pathon wide open across the middle on 3rd and 7). But I put him after the defense and questioned why we couldn\'t run. Last week, Brooks played great and I said he played great. I guess that\'s my bias coming through again.

saintfan · 09-26-2004, 10:07 AM

If the WRs drop passes in one game I may say - man those guys dropped some balls. If it happens in two I\'d probably say - the dropped passes are not good. This needs to change or it is going to become a real problem. After that if it continues, I\'m on them.

I guess it just doesn\'t take me as long.

WhoDat · 09-26-2004, 10:18 AM

So your - you have an agenda argument has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long\" to recognize trends... OK.

saintfan · 09-26-2004, 10:24 AM

you have an agenda argument has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long\" to recognize trends

Huh...are you hungover this morning or what?

09-24-2004, 10:06 PM	#11
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question So you\'re argument here is basically - Brooks got pressure SOME TIMES last year and that explains ALL of his fumbles, miscues, etc for the last 3 years. Ummm...no. Having a comprehension problem today? I\'m saying that his being pressured...severly at times, is not now nor has it ever been part of the \"Bash Brooks\" equation.

09-25-2004, 06:35 PM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question Nor is it part of your Bash Deuce theory - so I guess that\'s fitting. The basic problem is that you still contend that those of us who were not as high on AB as you were have a personal agenda that somehow translates into us wanting to see AB run out of town. That simply isn\'t true now, nor has it ever been. I want to see the Saints win and I want to see the best player on the field. I\'m not sure that AB has always represented our best chance of winning at the QB position. Further, you want to suggest that we criticize AB simply b/c we don\'t like him. Again, not true. Much of the pressure AB felt in previous years was either A) average compared to what other QBs in the league felt and he therefore can be expected to handle it better than he has in certain cases, or B) a result of his indecisiveness or \"backing out of protection.\" There is no doubt our line has missed blocks over the last few years on many ocassions. However, I don\'t think that it is seen in NO more often then most other places in the league. The run blocking I\'m seeing so far this season is the worst blocking period that I have seen in NO since Haslett got here. Can you argue that? Moreover, the pass blocking has been generally good quite some time here. In fact, I would go so far aas to say that our O-line has been the most consistent in its play of any other unit on the team in the last 4 years. Can you argue that?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-25-2004, 08:57 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question I\'m not saying the pass blocking has always sucked, but then you know that because you read what I typed. You refuse to look at the issue I\"m bringing to the table, which is, regardless of the scenario, Brooks has been held accountable for the fortunes of this team. Blocking, pass dropping, play calling...all these things are being brought up now in an efford to defend the poor play of Deuce, but never seemed to matter much before. Say what you will to save face, but you know this every bit as well as I do...sometimes you even admit it...which is more than I can say for some of your moonshine brethren.
	C'mon Man...

09-25-2004, 11:35 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question Brooks has been held accountable for his play. A guy who hold out after 1 year as a starter and proclaims himself as a top 5 guy damn well better produce. He didn\'t... he has started to play better, but his play remains inconsistent. You know that. There\'s a reason more than half the experts out there this year said that AB is inconsistent and how he goes the Saints will go. This team is poorly coached and incredibly inconsistent in its play. That is not AB\'s fault - but his up and down play certainly has not helped - in fact, at times it has cost games. Personally, I cannot point to any player other than Brooks in the last three years who I thought singlehandedly lost a game for this team. Nor can I point to any other who I thought singlehandedly won a game. That\'s the nature of the position. The guy wanted to be the star, he wanted to be the front man. Congratulations, he got exactly what he wanted. Now you want me to apologize or feel sorry for a guy who is catching a lot of flak for his play and this team\'s play? Won\'t happen. AB is getting exactly what he deserves - exactly what comes with that big salary he didn\'t deserve when he got it and the spotlight that HE asked for.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-26-2004, 01:10 AM	#15
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	O-line question AB is getting exactly what he deserves - exactly what comes with that big salary he didn\'t deserve when he got it and the spotlight that HE asked for. Precisely. Again WhoDat is doing a fine job of cutting through all the poo and getting to the relevant issue at hand. Bravo WhoDat! :rockon: It\'s awfully hard to feel sorry for a cat who shot off his mouth only to discover that he\'s not in shouting distance of being as good as he thinks he is. Cry me a river. :kerry:

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09-26-2004, 09:46 AM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question Brooks has been held accountable for his play. I have no problem with this. I do like to point it out tho when you guys hold him accountable for the TEAM\'S play. Refusing to acknowledge dropped passes, as an example, for the better part of two years before admiting, finally, towards the end of last year, that it was a problem is what I\'m getting at.

09-26-2004, 10:01 AM	#17
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question It wasn\'t a problem two years ago. It was last year. That we acknowledged it last year shows we\'re fair. Maybe you hadn\'t noticed, but I\'m big for trends. If the WRs drop passes in one game I may say - man those guys dropped some balls. If it happens in two I\'d probably say - the dropped passes are not good. This needs to change or it is going to become a real problem. After that if it continues, I\'m on them. Want examples? This season I\'m already on the TEs for their all-around poor play both with too many drops in the passing game and some horrid blocking especially from Boo. I\'m also on the O-line. Two games of terrible blocking in what is supposed to be their strong suit has me real worried. They need to pick it up or this will become a major problem. Finally, notice how I treated Brooks. In week 1 I said he looked rusty on off and made some poor deep throws and missed open receivers at costly times (Pathon wide open across the middle on 3rd and 7). But I put him after the defense and questioned why we couldn\'t run. Last week, Brooks played great and I said he played great. I guess that\'s my bias coming through again.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-26-2004, 10:07 AM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question If the WRs drop passes in one game I may say - man those guys dropped some balls. If it happens in two I\'d probably say - the dropped passes are not good. This needs to change or it is going to become a real problem. After that if it continues, I\'m on them. I guess it just doesn\'t take me as long.

09-26-2004, 10:18 AM	#19
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question So your - you have an agenda argument has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long\" to recognize trends... OK.
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09-26-2004, 10:24 AM	#20
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question you have an agenda argument has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long\" to recognize trends Huh...are you hungover this morning or what?