O-line question

Danno · 09-23-2004, 08:26 AM

I re-watched the 49er game and noticed that our O-line did extremely well in pass protection, and horribly in run-blocking. How can that be? Our entire line is composed of guys known for being solid run blockers but only so-so pass blockers. One would think we'd have the exact opposite problem. Right?

I think maybe Haslet and Co worked so hard on pass protection during TC that maybe they neglected run blocking. I believe that if you neglect something at practice, even if its one of your strengths, it will show up on Sunday.

Or it might be that our O-line coach just sucks.

BlackandBlue · 09-23-2004, 08:51 AM

HAHA, it was either subguy or d_it_up2, but we were talking about the same damn thing earlier this week, Danno. Couldn\'t figure out why this o-line, who is supposed to be great run blockers, have performed good in passing situations and dismal in running downs.

SaintsFan1967 · 09-23-2004, 08:52 AM

I have to agree Danno. As I stated in a previous post. Riley the right tackle was the problem. They were hiting the RBs in the backfield. I\'m sure you noticed that the Saints had no success at all running to the right. Do you think that that moving Bentley from right guard my be what is causing this?

rich006 · 09-24-2004, 05:43 AM

I have to say I haven\'t seen either of the games this year, but shouldn\'t we all expect the O-line to need a few weeks to gel? I would think it would take more time to develop their run-blocking skills as a group than to develop pass-blocking skills as a group.

$0.02

WhoDat · 09-24-2004, 09:42 AM

I re-watched the 49er game and noticed that our O-line did extremely well in pass protection, and horribly in run-blocking.

Yeah, some of noticed that too. Others talked about how Deuce is a bum, but Brooks is so great... Don\'t imagine that maybe blocking had something to do with it, huh? Saintfan, oh Saintfan, where fore are thou Saintfan? :P

saintfan · 09-24-2004, 09:58 AM

Why I\'m right here Whodat.

You miss my whole point -- as usual. My point is that now, since Deuce is having problems, everybody recognizes blocking as an issue, and it definately has been one. The Brooks bashers tho, when Brooks is running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped cause everybody\'s favorite center blew yet another block, would never acknowledge blocking as a problem. Same with the dropped passes. They do now tho huh? Even you acknowledge it took you a year. So now it seems blocking makes a difference. It\'s been making a difference for a while now actually. Funny that hasn\'t always been the case

WhoDat · 09-24-2004, 06:08 PM

No Saintfan, clearly you miss the point - RUN BLOCKING is poor. The PASS BLOCKING is just fine - good even. So Brooks IS NOT running for his life - nor has he been. Why don\'t you ask BnB if the pass blocking was generally good last year. Sure, there are ups and downs but the pass blocking has been good for a while. You want to SKEW poor blocking in the run game into meaning that Brooks is running for his life. Anyone that watches the games knows that simply isn\'t true.

saintfan · 09-24-2004, 06:18 PM

So Brooks IS NOT running for his life - nor has he been.

TIVO any of the games last year? I\'m not saying he ran for his life on every play, but then you know that. I\'m saying that WHEN he was attacked at the snap it was never acknowledged...looks like it still isn\'t, but that\'s ok. You see the truth when you want to.

WhoDat · 09-24-2004, 06:35 PM

So you\'re argument here is basically - Brooks got pressure SOME TIMES last year and that explains ALL of his fumbles, miscues, etc for the last 3 years. On the other hand, Deuce\'s lack of any blocking at all this season equates to Deuce being a worthless underachieving bum. Gotcha - good argument.

BrooksMustGo · 09-24-2004, 06:44 PM

I always thought Brooks was running for his life when he was backing out of the protection...
:shrug:

:kerry:

09-23-2004, 08:26 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	O-line question I re-watched the 49er game and noticed that our O-line did extremely well in pass protection, and horribly in run-blocking. How can that be? Our entire line is composed of guys known for being solid run blockers but only so-so pass blockers. One would think we'd have the exact opposite problem. Right? I think maybe Haslet and Co worked so hard on pass protection during TC that maybe they neglected run blocking. I believe that if you neglect something at practice, even if its one of your strengths, it will show up on Sunday. Or it might be that our O-line coach just sucks.

09-23-2004, 08:51 AM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	O-line question HAHA, it was either subguy or d_it_up2, but we were talking about the same damn thing earlier this week, Danno. Couldn\'t figure out why this o-line, who is supposed to be great run blockers, have performed good in passing situations and dismal in running downs.

09-23-2004, 08:52 AM	#3
SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	O-line question I have to agree Danno. As I stated in a previous post. Riley the right tackle was the problem. They were hiting the RBs in the backfield. I\'m sure you noticed that the Saints had no success at all running to the right. Do you think that that moving Bentley from right guard my be what is causing this?
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09-24-2004, 05:43 AM	#4
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	O-line question I have to say I haven\'t seen either of the games this year, but shouldn\'t we all expect the O-line to need a few weeks to gel? I would think it would take more time to develop their run-blocking skills as a group than to develop pass-blocking skills as a group. $0.02
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09-24-2004, 09:42 AM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question I re-watched the 49er game and noticed that our O-line did extremely well in pass protection, and horribly in run-blocking. Yeah, some of noticed that too. Others talked about how Deuce is a bum, but Brooks is so great... Don\'t imagine that maybe blocking had something to do with it, huh? Saintfan, oh Saintfan, where fore are thou Saintfan? :P
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09-24-2004, 09:58 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question Why I\'m right here Whodat. You miss my whole point -- as usual. My point is that now, since Deuce is having problems, everybody recognizes blocking as an issue, and it definately has been one. The Brooks bashers tho, when Brooks is running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped cause everybody\'s favorite center blew yet another block, would never acknowledge blocking as a problem. Same with the dropped passes. They do now tho huh? Even you acknowledge it took you a year. So now it seems blocking makes a difference. It\'s been making a difference for a while now actually. Funny that hasn\'t always been the case
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09-24-2004, 06:08 PM	#7
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question No Saintfan, clearly you miss the point - RUN BLOCKING is poor. The PASS BLOCKING is just fine - good even. So Brooks IS NOT running for his life - nor has he been. Why don\'t you ask BnB if the pass blocking was generally good last year. Sure, there are ups and downs but the pass blocking has been good for a while. You want to SKEW poor blocking in the run game into meaning that Brooks is running for his life. Anyone that watches the games knows that simply isn\'t true.
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09-24-2004, 06:18 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	O-line question So Brooks IS NOT running for his life - nor has he been. TIVO any of the games last year? I\'m not saying he ran for his life on every play, but then you know that. I\'m saying that WHEN he was attacked at the snap it was never acknowledged...looks like it still isn\'t, but that\'s ok. You see the truth when you want to.

09-24-2004, 06:35 PM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	O-line question So you\'re argument here is basically - Brooks got pressure SOME TIMES last year and that explains ALL of his fumbles, miscues, etc for the last 3 years. On the other hand, Deuce\'s lack of any blocking at all this season equates to Deuce being a worthless underachieving bum. Gotcha - good argument.
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09-24-2004, 06:44 PM	#10
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	O-line question I always thought Brooks was running for his life when he was backing out of the protection... :shrug: :kerry: