Seriously???

Danno · 07-23-2013, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

LOL.

When will you homers learn.

Turning around and bashing the Falcons isn't a cogent response.

I myself want a lot of changes in Flowery Branch.

But "Bwaaah! The falcons are bad too!" is not appropriate defense of your Saints' various inadequacies.

Not using your birds as justification, I just enjoy laughing at their expense. Its fun.

And pointing out that we had the 13th ranked defense in 2011 doesn't have much to do with the Falcons. It simply points out how we weren't the "F" team you suggested.

I can see comprehension, much like Falcon postseason success, is still a mystery you.

|Mitch| · 07-23-2013, 05:03 PM

Danno; might as well leave it alone... You can't win arguing against ignorance...

rezburna · 07-23-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

LOL.

When will you homers learn.

Turning around and bashing the Falcons isn't a cogent response.

I myself want a lot of changes in Flowery Branch.

But "Bwaaah! The falcons are bad too!" is not appropriate defense of your Saints' various inadequacies.

The Saints defense of 2012 was inadequate. However, we've improved at every level of the defense. Akiem Hicks did well as a rookie, and should be an improvement. Cam Jordan had 8 sacks and was excellent against the run. Now he's back in the 3-4. Broderick Bunkley was the #1 rated DT when he played in the 3-4. We drafted John Jenkins, a 1st round talent from Georgia.

We have two tremendous leaders in Curtis Lofton and Johnathan Vilma. Junior Gallette and Martez Wilson have both proven to be able to get to the QB, racking up sacks in back up roles.

We drafted Kenny Vacarro and signed Keenan Lewis, as well as returning to a man to man scheme which will greatly benefit Pat Robinson and Jabari Greer. We're now running a system that better fits out personnel.

So, with al that said, its more then safe to say the defense will improve. We won a Super Bow with a lot of these players, and actually have a much more talented defensive roster then we did when we won it all.

You couple that with the fact our offense will more then likely be top 3 as always and you have a dangerous team. Just like we've been for the past 7 or 8 years.

Now you have the Falcons, who got weaker on the o-line and secondary. Then replaces their best pass rusher with a washed up, never healthy Osi Umenyiora, who I don't believe was even a starter on the Giants last year. So if you believe the Falcons can win it all, there's no reason to doubt the Saints, whom have the Falcons number. If you aren't a "homer" you can't deny that either.

Danno · 07-23-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Danno; might as well leave it alone... You can't win arguing against ignorance...

Not trying to win anything. I just like exposing the flaws in an obviously arrogant troll's posts.

I'm an obsessive corrector.

RaginCajun83 · 07-23-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Never said they were anything to write home about.

Attacking the Falcons (of whom I am amply critical) does nothing other than assuage your own fears.

Fear of what? A team that will fold like a wet paper bag come playoff time or a team whose defense has the worst secondary in their division and that's including the Saints own red headed step child twins at safety. Continue to think the Falcons are actually in the Saints league and come see us come January, where the Saints will have HFA and the Falcons will be at home

Danno · 07-23-2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Your argument would be valid, if last season was 2011.

It would be valid for 2012 if we had a head coach and a competent DC, as we did in 2011, which was the point you failed to comprehend.

Danno · 07-23-2013, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Yeah, missing your "offensive guru" head coach really hurt your defense, right?

And guess what? While I'll give you that DC wasn't great,

You can't discount the fact that you're trotting out so many of the same guys.

Again, some of those same guys played on the 2011 defense that finished ranked 13th. And we have much beter talent now than we did then.

Why are you having trouble comprehending a point that everyone else understands?

Danno · 07-23-2013, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

The guys are either 2 years older or gone.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Hence the "we now have more talent" comment.

The only old players we have are Vilma (if you consider 31 old) and Smith. The vast majority are up and coming or still in their prime.

Mr.Riaton · 07-23-2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Before something like this would get under my skin, now I really don't care what anyone in print, radio or tv has to say about the Saints or any players for that matter including Brees. After last offseason, the media can kiss it and once again Jaws is trying to hitch his wagon to the next best thing. I'm actually surprised he didn't go 4. Brees, 3. Brady, 2. Manning, 1. Rodgers like I'm sure 99.99999 % of the hacks would do

......you probably could have just said 100%! lol

|Mitch| · 07-23-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

The guys are either 2 years older or gone.

Let's see: Galette, Wilson, Robinson, Jenkins, Quddus, Jordan and Humber are just hitting their prime since the 2011 season...

Then you have Greer, Smith, Harper, and Vilma who maybe on the downside of their career but who are still very capable players...

That's pretty much the whole starting defense, your argument is invalid

07-23-2013, 05:01 PM	#51
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan LOL. When will you homers learn. Turning around and bashing the Falcons isn't a cogent response. I myself want a lot of changes in Flowery Branch. But "Bwaaah! The falcons are bad too!" is not appropriate defense of your Saints' various inadequacies. Not using your birds as justification, I just enjoy laughing at their expense. Its fun. And pointing out that we had the 13th ranked defense in 2011 doesn't have much to do with the Falcons. It simply points out how we weren't the "F" team you suggested. I can see comprehension, much like Falcon postseason success, is still a mystery you.

07-23-2013, 05:03 PM	#52
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Seriously??? Danno; might as well leave it alone... You can't win arguing against ignorance...

07-23-2013, 05:10 PM	#53
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan LOL. When will you homers learn. Turning around and bashing the Falcons isn't a cogent response. I myself want a lot of changes in Flowery Branch. But "Bwaaah! The falcons are bad too!" is not appropriate defense of your Saints' various inadequacies. The Saints defense of 2012 was inadequate. However, we've improved at every level of the defense. Akiem Hicks did well as a rookie, and should be an improvement. Cam Jordan had 8 sacks and was excellent against the run. Now he's back in the 3-4. Broderick Bunkley was the #1 rated DT when he played in the 3-4. We drafted John Jenkins, a 1st round talent from Georgia. We have two tremendous leaders in Curtis Lofton and Johnathan Vilma. Junior Gallette and Martez Wilson have both proven to be able to get to the QB, racking up sacks in back up roles. We drafted Kenny Vacarro and signed Keenan Lewis, as well as returning to a man to man scheme which will greatly benefit Pat Robinson and Jabari Greer. We're now running a system that better fits out personnel. So, with al that said, its more then safe to say the defense will improve. We won a Super Bow with a lot of these players, and actually have a much more talented defensive roster then we did when we won it all. You couple that with the fact our offense will more then likely be top 3 as always and you have a dangerous team. Just like we've been for the past 7 or 8 years. Now you have the Falcons, who got weaker on the o-line and secondary. Then replaces their best pass rusher with a washed up, never healthy Osi Umenyiora, who I don't believe was even a starter on the Giants last year. So if you believe the Falcons can win it all, there's no reason to doubt the Saints, whom have the Falcons number. If you aren't a "homer" you can't deny that either.
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07-23-2013, 05:10 PM	#54
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Danno; might as well leave it alone... You can't win arguing against ignorance... Not trying to win anything. I just like exposing the flaws in an obviously arrogant troll's posts. I'm an obsessive corrector.

07-23-2013, 05:31 PM	#55
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Never said they were anything to write home about. Attacking the Falcons (of whom I am amply critical) does nothing other than assuage your own fears. Fear of what? A team that will fold like a wet paper bag come playoff time or a team whose defense has the worst secondary in their division and that's including the Saints own red headed step child twins at safety. Continue to think the Falcons are actually in the Saints league and come see us come January, where the Saints will have HFA and the Falcons will be at home

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07-23-2013, 05:37 PM	#56
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Your argument would be valid, if last season was 2011. It would be valid for 2012 if we had a head coach and a competent DC, as we did in 2011, which was the point you failed to comprehend.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Yeah, missing your "offensive guru" head coach really hurt your defense, right? And guess what? While I'll give you that DC wasn't great, You can't discount the fact that you're trotting out so many of the same guys. Again, some of those same guys played on the 2011 defense that finished ranked 13th. And we have much beter talent now than we did then. Why are you having trouble comprehending a point that everyone else understands?

07-23-2013, 05:58 PM	#58
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan The guys are either 2 years older or gone. Why is that so hard to understand? Hence the "we now have more talent" comment. The only old players we have are Vilma (if you consider 31 old) and Smith. The vast majority are up and coming or still in their prime.

07-23-2013, 06:02 PM	#59
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Before something like this would get under my skin, now I really don't care what anyone in print, radio or tv has to say about the Saints or any players for that matter including Brees. After last offseason, the media can kiss it and once again Jaws is trying to hitch his wagon to the next best thing. I'm actually surprised he didn't go 4. Brees, 3. Brady, 2. Manning, 1. Rodgers like I'm sure 99.99999 % of the hacks would do ......you probably could have just said 100%! lol

07-23-2013, 06:06 PM	#60
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Seriously??? Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan The guys are either 2 years older or gone. Let's see: Galette, Wilson, Robinson, Jenkins, Quddus, Jordan and Humber are just hitting their prime since the 2011 season... Then you have Greer, Smith, Harper, and Vilma who maybe on the downside of their career but who are still very capable players... That's pretty much the whole starting defense, your argument is invalid Danno likes this.
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