Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice??

The Dude · 09-08-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Peyton Manning was notorious for trying to squeeze out every last inch and basically crawl into the slide for a couple more yards. Either go down immediately or be prepared to get nailed penalty or no penalty.

I think the NFL changed the rule because of him that you are down where you start but not sure. Defenders should not have to pull back the second they go into the motion is how I see it. 30 degree angle or 5 degrees with the ground it should not matter. Until you are on the ground it's open season on the QB.

I couldnt see who it was but I saw one of our defenders flat out stop to a stand still to keep from hitting Ryan, he was right in his face and Ryan still had the ball. Had he kept going Ryan would have been crushed and it would have been legal.
These rules are making these defenders scared to do their jobs.
Seriously our guy just ran up to him and stopped right in his face and just threw his arms up like he was trying to scare him. It was actuallly kind of funny.
Anyone else see this?

Jack Vegas · 09-08-2013, 07:17 PM

It was a cheap shot, but not anything that you don't see every week. Then, on the next drive a Falcon dived and speared Sproles in the ribs with his helmet. That did not get called. After that it was pretty much open season on Matt Cryin'.

onebyone · 09-08-2013, 07:20 PM

Clay Matthews' called hit on Kaep tonight was a cheap shot. Our hit on Ryan? Not so much. It looked like a hit you would see in almost any other game. Sometimes it gets called, sometimes it doesnt. Life goes on. Nothing to get your panties in a twist about.

Beastmode · 09-08-2013, 07:26 PM

He got flagged for it, what else do they want...suspension, forfeited game? The right call was made. He also stopped running around after that so I guess both players learned a lesson.

vpheughan · 09-08-2013, 07:26 PM

Speaking of Matthew's hit. Seems he was talking all week about how they were coming after Kaepernick and were going to hit him. Are you listening NFL?

SloMotion · 09-08-2013, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Speaking of Matthew's hit. Seems he was talking all week about how they were coming after Kaepernick and were going to hit him. Are you listening NFL?

It's the read-option offense ... if they're gonna' have the QB's running the ball, they gotta' let the defenses stop 'em ... NFL don't want a bunch of RGIII's on their hands, it's bad for business,

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jlouhill · 09-08-2013, 07:32 PM

I wouldn't call it a cheap shot. It would have been a cheap shot if he had went in with the crown of his helmet. But if memory serves me and it more times than not doesn't, Vacarro turned his head and hit with his shoulder. It was a hard hit by an over zealous rookie who plays pedal to the metal. Vacarro will learn in time how to get a little more control of his body and when to recognize when the QB starts to slide you pull up as best you can. He got flaged and it cost us 15. He'll learn. Besides, a play like that makes the QB think twice about running when he isn't a running QB.

jeanpierre · 09-08-2013, 07:38 PM

It was a cheap shot, even if it were not intended...

But I like the kid's aggressiveness and it set the tone for the Saints defense...

Really wanted Ogletree, and it's early, but at least this isn't like when I wanted Matthews and got Ohio State Bow Tie wearing Jenkins...

spkb25 · 09-08-2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It was a cheap shot, even if it were not intended...

But I like the kid's aggressiveness and it set the tone for the Saints defense...

I woyldn't call it a cheap shot, but it was a PF per the rules, and he shouldn't have done it.

I consider a cheap shot something like intentionally taking a guys knees out on the line.

spkb25 · 09-08-2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Ok taking joy in trolling the Clowns fan forums. One forum taking about a cheap shot on Ryan taken by a rookie (Vacaro?)

And another time Ryan was driven into the ground? Some of the Clown fans thought he might be injured.

I can not watch the game until it is on Rewind. Can anyone give me some insight here?

Oh, several Clown fans are ready to give up the whole season ,

Yeah I saw that. The Hit by Kenny was a PF, and it should have been.

The other one was during a sack. Since when can't you drive the QB of the opponent into the ground during a sack?

09-08-2013, 09:24 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice?? Originally Posted by Beastmode Peyton Manning was notorious for trying to squeeze out every last inch and basically crawl into the slide for a couple more yards. Either go down immediately or be prepared to get nailed penalty or no penalty. I think the NFL changed the rule because of him that you are down where you start but not sure. Defenders should not have to pull back the second they go into the motion is how I see it. 30 degree angle or 5 degrees with the ground it should not matter. Until you are on the ground it's open season on the QB. I couldnt see who it was but I saw one of our defenders flat out stop to a stand still to keep from hitting Ryan, he was right in his face and Ryan still had the ball. Had he kept going Ryan would have been crushed and it would have been legal. These rules are making these defenders scared to do their jobs. Seriously our guy just ran up to him and stopped right in his face and just threw his arms up like he was trying to scare him. It was actuallly kind of funny. Anyone else see this?
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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice?? Originally Posted by vpheughan Speaking of Matthew's hit. Seems he was talking all week about how they were coming after Kaepernick and were going to hit him. Are you listening NFL? It's the read-option offense ... if they're gonna' have the QB's running the ball, they gotta' let the defenses stop 'em ... NFL don't want a bunch of RGIII's on their hands, it's bad for business, .

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jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice?? I wouldn't call it a cheap shot. It would have been a cheap shot if he had went in with the crown of his helmet. But if memory serves me and it more times than not doesn't, Vacarro turned his head and hit with his shoulder. It was a hard hit by an over zealous rookie who plays pedal to the metal. Vacarro will learn in time how to get a little more control of his body and when to recognize when the QB starts to slide you pull up as best you can. He got flaged and it cost us 15. He'll learn. Besides, a play like that makes the QB think twice about running when he isn't a running QB. D_it_up, spkb25 and \|Mitch\| like this.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre It was a cheap shot, even if it were not intended... But I like the kid's aggressiveness and it set the tone for the Saints defense... I woyldn't call it a cheap shot, but it was a PF per the rules, and he shouldn't have done it. I consider a cheap shot something like intentionally taking a guys knees out on the line. SloMotion and aintasinner like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice?? Originally Posted by homerj07 Ok taking joy in trolling the Clowns fan forums. One forum taking about a cheap shot on Ryan taken by a rookie (Vacaro?) And another time Ryan was driven into the ground? Some of the Clown fans thought he might be injured. I can not watch the game until it is on Rewind. Can anyone give me some insight here? Oh, several Clown fans are ready to give up the whole season , Yeah I saw that. The Hit by Kenny was a PF, and it should have been. The other one was during a sack. Since when can't you drive the QB of the opponent into the ground during a sack?

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