Mr.Riaton

Dont know why PT is more productive than Ingram, but Ingram winning the Heisman was no fluke. Some Saints fans couldn't wait to see Reggie Bush go, and look at him now. I have to belive it really comes down to scheme......that, and PT is really just a special back with great vision and a lot of heart. We really need to fix our O line though. I guess its hard to invest in a good O line when you have a lot of money poured into a contract....


.....I underestimated the importance of having a good head coach around.....maybe Kromer will be missed more than we thought.

Supertek

The Ingram experiment has failed. Wish I could say differently.

jeanpierre

Three possibilities with Ingram's game:

One, he's got a tell; either he or someone is doing something to tip off the defenders...

Two, he's impatient and making bad reads when approaching the assigned gap...

Three, he's done or not done something to not get favor with the Oline...

Now, I sincerely doubt the last, but it's worth mentioning; politics on a team is evident in the RB/Oline relationship...

Ingram is faster than PT and I've wonder if that's not hurting him as he's running into blocks when they are developing - a timing thing just like a QB with his receivers...

Wish we could get cams facing the offense presnap as the play develops, as I think somehow when Ingram is rushing, the defenses reading a 'tell' and are waiting...

Think most of it is poor chemistry and Ingram's inability to adjust his gears and timing when hitting the hole - talent is there, execution just isn't...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

SaintsBro

Interesting point about the tell, Jeanpierre....I can't remember who it was at the moment (it's 6 AM) but there was a running back who used to have one of those chin straps with four snaps on the helmet, and if he was getting the ball on a play, he would buckle all four snaps, but if he was NOT getting the ball on that play he would only buckle two of them, a lot of the time, with the other two straps flopping around loose....defenses somehow figured this out. Not saying that's exactly what Ingram is doing, but stuff like that DOES happen. There were also "tells" or things somewhat like "tells" in the Gregg Williams Powerpoint slides that were released during Bountygate,in his lists of things to defensive players to watch for.

Saintaintso

The luxury of having Sean Payton ... He's actually here to fix it

TheOak

May be? Where ya been hoss?

http://blackandgold.com/saints/59885...lks-rumor.html

hagan714

ok let me get this straight

the offense will get us there not the defense

your happy to trade Ingram before the trade dead line and go with two vets and two unproven backs for the season.

your nuts in my book.

unless the is a vet FA out there we can add to one of the most complex offense systems in the NFL and not really miss a beat. there are a few out there.

Willis McGahee
Beanie Wells
Cedric Benson
Kevin Smith
Michael Turner
Brandon Jacobs

to name a few

plus you would be doing ingram a huge favor moving him to the NYG. their OL is built for his style of running. plus they will abuse him

"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

skymike

First thing I thought, when I tuned into the Giants Cowboys last night.

Mardigras9

Thomas is a more patient RB and that makes all the difference. Ingram doesn't seem to have the same vision, hopefully this improves as the season progresses if he stays healthy.

TheOak

My best guess is that Ingram gets worse... Only because he is frustrated and will try to force things.. Doing that is the opposite of exercising vision and he will torpedo him self.

He is starting to pitch little fits at the end of runs and the camera guys know it, that's why they stay on him after his runs... I hope he can control himself until he either gets over his hump or leaves New Orleans.. We do not need any penalties because of it.