Fine, lets have an honest discussion about Ingram with out the name calling if you are capable. If you're not please let me know, I can facilitate if you can grasp.

1. Ingram compared to Bush: Seriously? Reggie (and I am no fan of his) was polar opposites depending on the game, but when he was on he was nearly a human highlight reel. Roll the historical tape in your pea and tell me of all the cover worthy Mark Ingram highlights? Reggie's production is near double Ingram's, look at his stats, the receiving nearly doubles his production. Reggie is a comparison for Sproles...Not Mark Ingram.

2. Ingram compared to Sproles: Basically the same statement as above? (Lowest YPC as a Saint 5.1)

3. Ingram compared to Ivory: Do you really want to have a performance comparison between these two? (Lowest YPC season 4.7)

4. Ingram compared to PT: ...... See #3 (other than his injured season in 2010 he is a 4.8 YPC back)

5. Ingram is a consistent 3.8 YPC back for 2+ years now, you can blame the Sunday o-line all you like. Are you going to blame 2011 and 2012 on our online Sunday? The same line all of our other backs found a way to get it done?

As far as being an "Ingram hater", that's a cop-out school girls use when they can't reasonably debate with factual evidence.. I am no Ingram hater, I carried Ingram for two entire seasons on my fantasy football team hoping he would get something done. I'm a realist, a pragmatist, and he is yet to get it done or earn a pass on one bad game.

As far as for your idiot statement, you called people that comment "he should cut back" idiots right after you "liked" a comment saying that cutting back is one of his strengths.

This is the what have you done for me lately league, list all of the great games Ingram has had to prove he is worth staying instead of covering all of the excuses that have been covered a dozen times before. Never-mind, I looked for you, grand total of about 5 games out of 28 starts worth of games worth honorable mention.

Lets also put the BS about he needs more carries to get better, to bed. Have you looked at his situational stats before proclaiming those that do not agree with you "haters"?

2012
Attempts 1-10. 4.2 YPC
Attempts 11-20 2.1 YPC

Why doesn't Payton give Ingram more carries? Because Ingram hasn't earned them. Can you, with a straight face, tell me that Sean Payton.... the genius that made something out of Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, and Marques Colston; becomes an idiot when it comes to Mark Ingram and doesn't know what to do with him or how to make him productive, IF he can be productive with the Saints? The Ingram isn't cutting it threads have been going on for over two years here, we didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide one game sealed his fate.


Now, why should he be kept coach?

I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see.

When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS.

When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't.

Its been that way for 2 years.

I'm not smart enough to get past that one.

We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.