5 Wide - Empty Set

frankeefrank · 09-14-2013, 11:08 AM

I was really excited to see how we would employ all that speed and skill we have at the WR, RB and TE positions.
Against Atlanta we employed the 5 wide, empty look 9 times.
Brees missed Graham on the first play, because Atlanta applied quick pressure.
But the set was lethal the rest of the way.
All in all, Brees was 7 of 9 when working out of the empty set.
7 of 9 for 168 yards.

Seems like Payton found a quick balance to using the formation

soretoes · 09-14-2013, 11:37 AM

I loved it, anxious to see all the wrinkles Payton has come up with in utilizing this awesome formation

the-commish · 09-14-2013, 12:20 PM

Empty backfield puts intense pressure on the O-line to hold up.

I hope they're up to the task.

jeanpierre · 09-14-2013, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

All in all, Brees was 7 of 9 when working out of the empty set...for 168 yards.

Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad...

Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan...

thebdj · 09-14-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad...

Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan...

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! The run game kept the Falcons honest and whilst it wasn't overly affective in a net yard gain perspective, it completely opened up the field at times.

Loving seeing comments like this. Spot on!

TheOak · 09-14-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad...

Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan...

Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield?

When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it.

halloween 65 · 09-14-2013, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

Empty backfield puts intense pressure on the O-line to hold up.

I hope they're up to the task.

It does leave Brees exposed to hits. Were they be sacks, pushes, or hits. 5 on though gains a lot of yards. Risky!!

blackangold · 09-14-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield?

When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it.

Watch for the run... no RB in the backfield. Got a good laugh out of that.

The run helps the PA when in heavy formations. I hope SP doesn't get too carried away with trying to run the ball. Keeping the D honest is great but at some point you have to stick with the passing game when we are running for 2.5 YPC. This will always be a passing team, we just need a running game slightly above average for some type of balance.

TheOak · 09-14-2013, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Watch for the run... no RB in the backfield. Got a good laugh out of that.

The run helps the PA when in heavy formations. I hope SP doesn't get too carried away with trying to run the ball. Keeping the D honest is great but at some point you have to stick with the passing game when we are running for 2.5 YPC. This will always be a passing team, we just need a running game slightly above average for some type of balance.

Ohhhh I understand keeping them honest with a RB in the backfield... It's that whole absence of a RB keeping then honest that has be a little confused.

jeanpierre · 09-14-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield?

When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it.

Personnel Changes; Falcons were late or missed in their counter moves...

09-14-2013, 11:08 AM	#1
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	5 Wide - Empty Set I was really excited to see how we would employ all that speed and skill we have at the WR, RB and TE positions. Against Atlanta we employed the 5 wide, empty look 9 times. Brees missed Graham on the first play, because Atlanta applied quick pressure. But the set was lethal the rest of the way. All in all, Brees was 7 of 9 when working out of the empty set. 7 of 9 for 168 yards. Seems like Payton found a quick balance to using the formation
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09-14-2013, 11:37 AM	#2
soretoes sammy"soretoes" Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: s'port La. Posts: 2	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set I loved it, anxious to see all the wrinkles Payton has come up with in utilizing this awesome formation

09-14-2013, 12:20 PM	#3
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Empty backfield puts intense pressure on the O-line to hold up. I hope they're up to the task. thebdj likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by frankeefrank All in all, Brees was 7 of 9 when working out of the empty set...for 168 yards. Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad... Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan... hagan714 and thebdj like this.

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thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by jeanpierre Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad... Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan... ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! The run game kept the Falcons honest and whilst it wasn't overly affective in a net yard gain perspective, it completely opened up the field at times. Loving seeing comments like this. Spot on!

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by jeanpierre Twenty-four (24) yards a play - not bad... Made possible due to the commitment to the run to keep 'em honest; yeah Ingram's paltry yds/rush is bad, but it is part of an effective game plan... Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield? When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it. Danno, Boutte, foreverfan and 1 others like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by the-commish Empty backfield puts intense pressure on the O-line to hold up. I hope they're up to the task. It does leave Brees exposed to hits. Were they be sacks, pushes, or hits. 5 on though gains a lot of yards. Risky!!

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by TheOak Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield? When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it. Watch for the run... no RB in the backfield. Got a good laugh out of that. The run helps the PA when in heavy formations. I hope SP doesn't get too carried away with trying to run the ball. Keeping the D honest is great but at some point you have to stick with the passing game when we are running for 2.5 YPC. This will always be a passing team, we just need a running game slightly above average for some type of balance.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by blackangold Watch for the run... no RB in the backfield. Got a good laugh out of that. The run helps the PA when in heavy formations. I hope SP doesn't get too carried away with trying to run the ball. Keeping the D honest is great but at some point you have to stick with the passing game when we are running for 2.5 YPC. This will always be a passing team, we just need a running game slightly above average for some type of balance. Ohhhh I understand keeping them honest with a RB in the backfield... It's that whole absence of a RB keeping then honest that has be a little confused.

09-14-2013, 01:34 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 5 Wide - Empty Set Originally Posted by TheOak Pardon my ignorance but how does the run game effect lining up with an empty backfield? When there is no one but Drew in the backfield what is there to keep honest? They know what's coming.... Just can't handle it. Personnel Changes; Falcons were late or missed in their counter moves...

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