Brees

TheDeuce · 09-17-2013, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1. Some posters will never appreciate greatness until it's gone.

I don't think anybody fails to see how great Drew Brees is, today and in the history of the game. My initial post is around the decision making that seems to be getting more Favre-like (I don't feel inaccuracy is an issue with Brees, the rain probably affected him). That second INT was part of a growing trend of Brees making critical turnovers. In that situation, we were in FG range up by six points. A FG would have made it a two-possession game. An incomplete pass would have been a victory there, but an INT for six the other way was a ten-point and momentum swing of epic proportions. We were fortunate that the defense stepped up with a minute left and Lindell missed that kick. I think back over the last couple of years and can remember right off the top of my head some throws that he made that we never saw in his earlier years in NO. Again, as I posted in my initial post, he's a top three QB in the league, but he needs to take better care of the ball.

alleycat_126 · 09-16-2013, 12:28 PM

A little drew love.....

- He's 35...... That's that when I'm ready, I'm ready age..... Not the same as when you make me wait 1 hour and 15 minutes....

- they spent a billion dollars on defense, and we spent 100 million dollars on him and about 2 dollars and 50 cent on the line in order to protect him.....

- the decisions were bad but he was able to shake them off and get us the win......

- whatever love affair Shawn has for mark Ingram has gotta stop...they teach you to keep pushing the pile in preschool. And he to damn big to be running tapping his feet like Reggie bush.

- Shawn did give drew a stern ass talking to over on the sidelines after that second int if you saw it..... That was more than I saw kromer, or Vitt do last season.... The boss is Shawn people, and he got drew mind right before that last drive.

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 12:58 PM

About Drew.. (For those that do not like stats this will sting)

Look at his INT alone is like looking at Ingram's total yardage... The real picture is in the break down of TDs, INTs, per Att. I will use 2012 season for my run through

Drew has the second most attempts in 2012. Naturally one should assume he would have second most INTs.

Sort ATT between INT Drew is near Middle of the pack with Brady being the best that year. Drew has an IT every 35.26 attempts.

Sort ATT between TD Drew is number one with the fewest ATT between TDs. with a TD between every 15.58 Attempts

Drew's numbers are not as ugly as people make them out to be.. His interceptions are though

... Gawd he throws them at the most inopportune moment with the largest distance between the ball and a receiver lol...

He is the TD king however and that comes at a price. Ill take a TD king any day.

Do I cut Drew Brees more slack and I cut most players? There is zero delusion here, I do... Mainly because there are about what, 4 people on the earth I could thank for bringing the first Super Bowl to New Orleans? He is one of them. Didnt do it alone but wouldn't have happened with out him.

I saw him do one thing last night twice that made me feel good. He was going down and thought about that damned toss to who ever was close and didn't. He tucked it and took the sack. How many INT's did he have in 2010 because he tried a quick shovel to avoid a sack.. I remember a few, I believe at least 2-3 of them shoveled right into a defenders hands.

rezburna · 09-16-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

About Drew.. (For those that do not like stats this will sting)

Look at his INT alone is like looking at Ingram's total yardage... The real picture is in the break down of TDs, INTs, per Att. I will use 2012 season for my run through

Drew has the second most attempts in 2012. Naturally one should assume he would have second most INTs.

Sort ATT between INT Drew is near Middle of the pack with Brady being the best that year. Drew has an IT every 35.26 attempts.

Sort ATT between TD Drew is number one with the fewest ATT between TDs. with a TD between every 15.58 Attempts

Drew's numbers are not as ugly as people make them out to be.. His interceptions are though ... Gawd he throws them at the most inopportune moment with the largest distance between the ball and a receiver lol...

He is the TD king however and that comes at a price. Ill take a TD king any day.

Do I cut Drew Brees more slack and I cut most players? There is zero delusion here, I do... Mainly because there are about what, 4 people on the earth I could thank for bringing the first Super Bowl to New Orleans? He is one of them. Didnt do it alone but wouldn't have happened with out him.

I saw him do one thing last night twice that made me feel good. He was going down and thought about that damned toss to who ever was close and didn't. He tucked it and took the sack. How many INT's did he have in 2010 because he tried a quick shovel to avoid a sack.. I remember a few, I believe at least 2-3 of them shoveled right into a defenders hands.

Good stats. Maybe I'm too hard on him. I'm going to continue to be though. I want another Super Bowl before he retires and we run the risk of the bags coming back out.

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Good stats. Maybe I'm too hard on him. I'm going to continue to be though. I want another Super Bowl before he retires and we run the risk of the bags coming back out.

Shhhh dont tell anyone, I actually whipped out excel. You are not too hard on him, just take what he does with a grain of salt because for every screwup he has 5 great plays.

Sit on the street outside my house when Drew throws an INT or shovels it to a defender... You wont even have to roll your window down to hear me..

rezburna · 09-16-2013, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Shhhh dont tell anyone, I actually whipped out excel. You are not too hard on him, just take what he does with a grain of salt because for every screwup he has 5 great plays.

Sit on the street outside my house when Drew throws an INT or shovels it to a defender... You wont even have to roll your window down to hear me..

I was about to ask you where the hell you found a chart like that.

Jack Vegas · 09-16-2013, 01:29 PM

uhhhh...

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 02:08 PM

I cant find video because it was an incomplete pass. Did Drew over throw Meachem?

Mardigras9 · 09-16-2013, 02:56 PM

The coverage brees was dealing with was outstanding. They were blanketing our recievers. Brees made mistakes, but stepped up and made the throws in the end. I better run game would have helped him immensely.

homerj07 · 09-16-2013, 08:43 PM

Sorry,since the big contract he has not played as well.

Call it age or whatever.

Maybe too much time acting like the Mannings & whoring himself for any & all products.

09-17-2013, 09:48 AM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Brees Originally Posted by K Major +1. Some posters will never appreciate greatness until it's gone. I don't think anybody fails to see how great Drew Brees is, today and in the history of the game. My initial post is around the decision making that seems to be getting more Favre-like (I don't feel inaccuracy is an issue with Brees, the rain probably affected him). That second INT was part of a growing trend of Brees making critical turnovers. In that situation, we were in FG range up by six points. A FG would have made it a two-possession game. An incomplete pass would have been a victory there, but an INT for six the other way was a ten-point and momentum swing of epic proportions. We were fortunate that the defense stepped up with a minute left and Lindell missed that kick. I think back over the last couple of years and can remember right off the top of my head some throws that he made that we never saw in his earlier years in NO. Again, as I posted in my initial post, he's a top three QB in the league, but he needs to take better care of the ball.
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09-16-2013, 12:28 PM	#2
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Brees A little drew love..... - He's 35...... That's that when I'm ready, I'm ready age..... Not the same as when you make me wait 1 hour and 15 minutes.... - they spent a billion dollars on defense, and we spent 100 million dollars on him and about 2 dollars and 50 cent on the line in order to protect him..... - the decisions were bad but he was able to shake them off and get us the win...... - whatever love affair Shawn has for mark Ingram has gotta stop...they teach you to keep pushing the pile in preschool. And he to damn big to be running tapping his feet like Reggie bush. - Shawn did give drew a stern ass talking to over on the sidelines after that second int if you saw it..... That was more than I saw kromer, or Vitt do last season.... The boss is Shawn people, and he got drew mind right before that last drive.
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09-16-2013, 12:58 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Brees About Drew.. (For those that do not like stats this will sting) Look at his INT alone is like looking at Ingram's total yardage... The real picture is in the break down of TDs, INTs, per Att. I will use 2012 season for my run through Drew has the second most attempts in 2012. Naturally one should assume he would have second most INTs. Sort ATT between INT Drew is near Middle of the pack with Brady being the best that year. Drew has an IT every 35.26 attempts. Sort ATT between TD Drew is number one with the fewest ATT between TDs. with a TD between every 15.58 Attempts Drew's numbers are not as ugly as people make them out to be.. His interceptions are though ... Gawd he throws them at the most inopportune moment with the largest distance between the ball and a receiver lol... He is the TD king however and that comes at a price. Ill take a TD king any day. Do I cut Drew Brees more slack and I cut most players? There is zero delusion here, I do... Mainly because there are about what, 4 people on the earth I could thank for bringing the first Super Bowl to New Orleans? He is one of them. Didnt do it alone but wouldn't have happened with out him. I saw him do one thing last night twice that made me feel good. He was going down and thought about that damned toss to who ever was close and didn't. He tucked it and took the sack. How many INT's did he have in 2010 because he tried a quick shovel to avoid a sack.. I remember a few, I believe at least 2-3 of them shoveled right into a defenders hands. Attached Thumbnails frankeefrank likes this.
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09-16-2013, 01:02 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Brees Originally Posted by TheOak About Drew.. (For those that do not like stats this will sting) Look at his INT alone is like looking at Ingram's total yardage... The real picture is in the break down of TDs, INTs, per Att. I will use 2012 season for my run through Drew has the second most attempts in 2012. Naturally one should assume he would have second most INTs. Sort ATT between INT Drew is near Middle of the pack with Brady being the best that year. Drew has an IT every 35.26 attempts. Sort ATT between TD Drew is number one with the fewest ATT between TDs. with a TD between every 15.58 Attempts Drew's numbers are not as ugly as people make them out to be.. His interceptions are though ... Gawd he throws them at the most inopportune moment with the largest distance between the ball and a receiver lol... He is the TD king however and that comes at a price. Ill take a TD king any day. Do I cut Drew Brees more slack and I cut most players? There is zero delusion here, I do... Mainly because there are about what, 4 people on the earth I could thank for bringing the first Super Bowl to New Orleans? He is one of them. Didnt do it alone but wouldn't have happened with out him. I saw him do one thing last night twice that made me feel good. He was going down and thought about that damned toss to who ever was close and didn't. He tucked it and took the sack. How many INT's did he have in 2010 because he tried a quick shovel to avoid a sack.. I remember a few, I believe at least 2-3 of them shoveled right into a defenders hands. Good stats. Maybe I'm too hard on him. I'm going to continue to be though. I want another Super Bowl before he retires and we run the risk of the bags coming back out.

09-16-2013, 01:11 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Brees Originally Posted by rezburna Good stats. Maybe I'm too hard on him. I'm going to continue to be though. I want another Super Bowl before he retires and we run the risk of the bags coming back out. Shhhh dont tell anyone, I actually whipped out excel. You are not too hard on him, just take what he does with a grain of salt because for every screwup he has 5 great plays. Sit on the street outside my house when Drew throws an INT or shovels it to a defender... You wont even have to roll your window down to hear me..

09-16-2013, 01:19 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Brees Originally Posted by TheOak Shhhh dont tell anyone, I actually whipped out excel. You are not too hard on him, just take what he does with a grain of salt because for every screwup he has 5 great plays. Sit on the street outside my house when Drew throws an INT or shovels it to a defender... You wont even have to roll your window down to hear me.. I was about to ask you where the hell you found a chart like that.

09-16-2013, 01:29 PM	#7
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09-16-2013, 02:08 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Brees I cant find video because it was an incomplete pass. Did Drew over throw Meachem?

09-16-2013, 02:56 PM	#9
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Brees The coverage brees was dealing with was outstanding. They were blanketing our recievers. Brees made mistakes, but stepped up and made the throws in the end. I better run game would have helped him immensely.

09-16-2013, 08:43 PM	#10
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Brees Sorry,since the big contract he has not played as well. Call it age or whatever. Maybe too much time acting like the Mannings & whoring himself for any & all products.

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