Re: Fartley? Really?
 

It's time to find a kicker.

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He has his moments where he's automatic and other times that make me scratch my head like today... Such is the life of a kicker. We would have lost the Tampa game if not for Hartley. I don't think it's time to call for Hartley's head considering we destroyed the Bills. Be calm folks.

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Well he's good in the big games so I'd like to keep him around for a bit because the Saints are probably going to have some big games at the end of the season.

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I gave up on him in '11 when he cost us at least 2 games.
Hope he gets it straight because he can cost us down the line BIG TIME. Could be the difference in getting first seed in the playoffs.
Seriously wish the kid would get it straight and miss no more because we need a great kicker. But I don't believe in him and await his replacement someday.

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The Saints should bring in two or three kickers for tryouts just to send a message. I don't think it's time to pull the plug on him yet, but send the message now before the misses become a real issue.

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He seems better outside. Go figure.

His misses have not hurt us - yet.

The lack of a run game has hurt a LOT more & has coast us a game.

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I understand the first one but the second one really

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He did well after the Kasay coaching/benching episode. Maybe, a personal kicker coach.

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I can imagine that " hello garrett, im your new coach, lesson number 1 - the ball is supposed to go BETWEEN the posts, not outside of them"

If he needs a coach to tell him how to kick the ball between the posts after he made the 3 biggest kicks in saints history, he is in serious trouble

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Have him practice until his leg falls off? Bring in extra kickers to push for his job? That'll should get him thinking about those misses. But does anyone really want this space cadet thinking?

He's here for the long haul...you know it, I know it. We'll celebrate him when he makes game winners on the road from 45+, then slur him when he botches chip shots indoors at home and pray those botches aren't when the game's on the line.

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

I have been a Hartley supporter from day one, but after today's effort, my patience has worn pretty thin.

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Im down but who the hell else is out there. Exactly.

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Kickers don't make every kick. He hasn't cost us a game this year... In fact he's won us one. Be calm folks; Hartley isn't going anywhere.

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He stinks. And he will cost us a game again. Sorry for being so real.

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The painful truth is that we are hurting slightly more than usual, in that we just had to call up Ryan Griffin to the roster from the practice squad; if we had that roster spot open right now, we could probably carry 2 kickers on the squad as we have done at certain times in the past, bring someone in to kick Hartley through his slump and then put the emo kid back out there when his head is back together again.

It's definitely not as simple as just cutting Hartley tomorrow morning. It's way more complicated than that....who do you have on tap that's better, let's hear some names.

Did Hartley cost us this game? Let's clear that one up before we go nuclear.

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I think Sean sent him a message later in the game when we stalled out at the Bills 30 yard line and we punted. The 30 yard line, and we punted.

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"He hasn't cost us a game yet this year." And you want to wait around for that to happen before you do something about it?

Your world-class kicker is right under your noses and you don't even see him.

Some of you have attached yourselves to number 5 the way you did number 28.

DUMP THE MAN. NOW. BEFORE he costs us ANOTHER game.

Alaska

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I started him on my fantasy teams. Simple jinx. The jinx is gone and will not be a problem for the rest of the year. :)

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

Thomas Morstead put TWO through the uprights today from 75 yards away. What makes you think he could not make consistent 50-yarders when someone places the ball for him?

Alaska

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

Rugby, think they were missing the humor on that one...

Justin Drescher


Anyways, at least Hartley kept it interesting with the two misses...

Guessing Coach Payton and Hartley will be in for a little chat...

May have to up the anxiety meds, or the rum shots -

For Hartley AND for Saints fans...

Do we still have the number of the Mexican Kicker, Jose Carlos Maltos?!?

May have to jerk his chain a little...

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

Oh boy here we go.

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Re: Fartley? Really?
 

Here we go !

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As usual I am not worried. This is nothing out of the ordinary for an NFL kicker.

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I'd love to see morestead get a shot but would hate the criticism he would get the minute he missed his first kick

Hartley on the other hand is guaranteed for about 3-6 misses every year

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

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yeah it would have cost us the game, how many times a season do we have to through this, hartley does it all the time and nothing ever happens about it

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

I'm surprised by the lack of vitriol towards Hartley today. He is a 'Harry Hook Shot'. You watch whenever he misses, they are always horrible hooked shots off to the left. Yesterday was embarrassing.

I'm sure someone will mention the Superbowl 44 run and how good he was blah blah blah but why don't we throw a poll out there? I am definitely not the only one who is expecting him to miss every time he hits a FG. I am waiting for it to hook every single time and find myself surprised when it doesn't.

We got let off the hook yesterday because the Bills kept turning it over and because we overpowered them on offence. JP nailed it on the head. How costly are these mistakes against a Seattle, Carolina or 49ers? They can come back to haunt you.

People forget that it isn't just the opportunity of putting 3 points on the board, it is more often than not a very good starting field position for the opposition. That can kill you.

I am not saying we make a radical change in the middle of the season as that can be as damaging, if not more, but I would definitely be keeping an eye on other kickers and I would say he is done in New Orleans after this season. We need a Matt Prater or a Robbie Gould. Those guys are money.

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I am pretty confident we did not punt from the Bills 30 yard line. Can you tell me when that was? If we did then I apologise and you are right. I just cannot remember that and think Payton would have rather turned over on downs, trying to throw or run the ball than punt from there!

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

I beg to differ. . Kickers opponents are the elements and his mind. This was in a dome and well... Garrett Erratica beats himself quite often. Missing 2 in a row, on your home field, no wind, no rain, no sun, one @47 the other @38?

Know where Hartleys 78% FG kicking accuracy lands him? 25th in the league.
1-19 - 100%
20-29 - 100%
30-39 - 80% (22nd in the league)
40-49 - 62% (27th in the league) Are these numbers you want to take into OT or playoffs?

Now here, I will blow your mind - He is a home/dome-turf kicker for Christ sakes, on a team that shines on MNF!

Grass -87.5%
Turf - 70%

Home - 62.5
Road - 90%

Point Situation:
Ahead - 72.7% <- WTF?
Tied - 75%
Behind - 100%

Monday - 50%
Sunday 82%

For our sake someone better pray we get no home playoff games that fall on his leg. All of those situation stats tell me he can not focus for spit.

In the spirit of all the blah blah about holding Ingram back... Harelty needs to go kick for an outdoor team with a losing record to really shine. Jacksonville or NYG would be a perfect fit for him.

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LOVE the post above. I thought Oak was going to tear me apart for being down on Hartley. He agreed! Can I have an 'Agree' next to Like/Share :) Hahahaha.

Love these stats my man. Heart in mouth every time. Great point on being in a Dome. Also loving the WTF on the Stat sheet! Unbelievable to think he is at his best in the worst conditions, on the road when we are trailing! :)

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

I do totally agree with you on this JP. It is easy just to hang Hartley up for yesterday's performance. He was shameful but so was a whole host of other things. The better part of the first 22 minutes of gametime was dreadful.

The O-line is probably my biggest concern on the field by some way at the moment. Brees had no time and were it not for PT being able to find lanes that simply do not exist, our running game could have been worse. Interesting to see K-Rob stuffed in the backfield sometimes. I'm not defending Ingram but you start to see why some of his stats were so woeful!

On the bright side, we played poorly for a large percentage of the game and did what we do best which is rally. There were more positives than negatives and I like the fact we are all, well most of us, on a quest for perfection whilst being realistic. You don't have a game where everything comes together very often.

I also think our BYE week was just in the right position. It gave us some healing time and some regrouping time. Sure this game was sloppy. The Jets game has all the hall marks of being a real slog. The cowboys game could end up being an unnecessarily close game but let's use those to start blowing out the cobwebs and accelerate into the final stretch and go hard or go home into the playoffs, whatever our seeding.

This is all happening at the right time. So many chances to get better on all of this.

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury.
At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them.

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

Not on Hartley brother, I have posted his situational stats each year since 2009 and point out the same exact trends... I have pointed out that he is ADHD and went to hell in a hand basket since he couldn't take Adderall anymore, I have pointed out multiple times that we have a kicker that played 16 games only once in his entire 6 year career, and I am curious to see what his status is this week after having actual human contact yesterday.

I get told he is loved because he kicked a FG in 2009.

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

The mans cap numbers are $2.6ml this year and $1.3/1.4ml in the nect two years though unlike this year none id guaranteed

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

It was officially your duty to inform Coach Payton that he sucks and lock him in the locker room lmao

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

A valid argument... and probably the reason he is still in a Saints Uniform.

Re: Fartley? Really?
 

There is definitely too much love for him because of what he did in 2009. I wouldn't say I have been down on him quite as long as that but sometimes your own subconscious must tell you something when you expect him to miss every time and then you are pleasantly surprised when he doesn't.

I know kickers don't get a lot of love. In many ways I think that is ridiculous because they can be unsung heroes, especially a punter! I also do not expect a kicker to make every single one of his kicks. That may be due to distance, conditions, situations or whatever BUT I do expect him to give me the confidence that it is something that has put him off his stride as opposed to his own undoing that caused a miss.

Like I said, 2 kickers for me that always stand out (and now someone will undoubtedly show me their stats are worse than Hartleys) are Matt Prater and Robbie Gould. Those guys just hit their kicks. From whatever distance. More importantly I expect them to hit and am surprised when/if they don't. Not the other way round as with Hartley. I thought Kasay was a great kicker when we brought him in for that 2011 season. I was much more confident!

Re: Garrett Hartley
 

Yes! But it is not a physical injury.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/48802...hartley-4.html


He didnt pick this up at the 7-11
Do pro sports leagues have an Adderall problem?