Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire

09-17-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I loved me some Mike Bell when he was with the Saints but if my memory is right .... he didn't get a single carry after he screwed up wearing the wrong kind of shoes in the SB and if he did, it was like 1 or 2

I'm fairly certain you're right.

Whatever the case, my only point was that it was a colossal waste of a high draft pick to get Ingram when there are any number of veterans available every year to play the short yardage role and do a better job of it.

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important....

Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton.

This could be about to get interesting.

Just went through the play by play.. Looks like Ingram had 2 touches in the 3rd Qtr and none in the 4th Qtr.

QBREES9 · 09-17-2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Seriously?! We traded Ivory for the opportunity to draft John Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Ivory and Ingram both combined so far this year...

John Jenkins, has played well.

jeanpierre · 09-18-2013, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wonder how much longer we will see Mr. 2 ypc get the majority of the load?

Originally Posted by blackangold

Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc.

Disagree, we made a good trade and got good value; while we probably gave up more than needed we got a great prospect in Big John Jenkins...

ClintSaints · 09-18-2013, 09:53 AM

I would have liked to see a fake handoff and a rollout to the right in that situation - on the earlier downs.

ClintSaints · 09-18-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Payton seems to invested in Ingram to bench the guy... Wonder how much longer we will see Mr. 2 ypc get the majority of the load. Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc.

I would love to see Robinson take some snaps in a real game.

Danno · 09-18-2013, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc.

We didn't let IRvory go for Ingram.

I'd also love to see what Robinson can do, but he's no mini-Ivory. He's a mini-PT. He's much more versatile than Ivory. We just don't know about pass-pro and durability yet.

hagan714 · 09-18-2013, 12:17 PM

you want yard on fourth down? PT is the call. he will slither through an opening the OL can make as long as they make one and it was there in tampa. Ingram squared up in the hole and gave the LB a great target. thats the difference in the two styles of RB and the reason the blocking has to be different depending on the back

Budsdrinker · 09-18-2013, 12:45 PM

That series of plays happened right in front of where I was sitting. Should have never tried to throw it on first down, should have been a power run behind Collins and Evans all 4 tries if needed. PT did run the ball on 3rd down not Ingram. Ingram ran it on 2nd and 4th down. He never had a chance on either run and also that grass was coming up after the rain which the field crew had to repair during half time and he had no traction. In the dome, I believe he scores. While I will agree Ingram has not performed as well as we would like, I do want to point out that he is always in against base defenses which usually has the 8 guys in the box which is how Jimmy scored the first TD. Ingram was in the game and Tampa had base run defense in and Drew checked out of run and hit a wide open Jimmy because the LB couldn't keep up. I know some of us keep repeating the same thing about defensive personnel but it is easier for Sproles and PT when they run against the nickle packages as oppose to Ingram trying to run against base packages. Now with that said he still needs to run better and it starts with the OL getting some sort of push which they are struggling with right now.

TheOak · 09-18-2013, 01:33 PM

How much trouble did Doug Martin have with traction?

RB Martin, 28-yd, run - NFL Videos

09-17-2013, 07:04 PM	#21
Threaded by Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 I loved me some Mike Bell when he was with the Saints but if my memory is right .... he didn't get a single carry after he screwed up wearing the wrong kind of shoes in the SB and if he did, it was like 1 or 2 I'm fairly certain you're right. Whatever the case, my only point was that it was a colossal waste of a high draft pick to get Ingram when there are any number of veterans available every year to play the short yardage role and do a better job of it. MarchingOn likes this.
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09-17-2013, 07:06 PM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by SaintsBro If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important.... Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton. This could be about to get interesting. Just went through the play by play.. Looks like Ingram had 2 touches in the 3rd Qtr and none in the 4th Qtr.

09-17-2013, 09:43 PM	#23
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Seriously?! We traded Ivory for the opportunity to draft John Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Ivory and Ingram both combined so far this year... John Jenkins, has played well.

09-18-2013, 09:04 AM	#24
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by blackangold Wonder how much longer we will see Mr. 2 ypc get the majority of the load? Originally Posted by blackangold Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc. Disagree, we made a good trade and got good value; while we probably gave up more than needed we got a great prospect in Big John Jenkins... MarchingOn likes this.
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ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire I would have liked to see a fake handoff and a rollout to the right in that situation - on the earlier downs.

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09-18-2013, 09:55 AM	#26
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by blackangold Payton seems to invested in Ingram to bench the guy... Wonder how much longer we will see Mr. 2 ypc get the majority of the load. Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc. I would love to see Robinson take some snaps in a real game.

09-18-2013, 11:32 AM	#27
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by blackangold Its a shame we let Ivory go for this chump, we have a mini Ivory in Robinson who will never see the field because of Mr. 2ypc. We didn't let IRvory go for Ingram. I'd also love to see what Robinson can do, but he's no mini-Ivory. He's a mini-PT. He's much more versatile than Ivory. We just don't know about pass-pro and durability yet.

09-18-2013, 12:17 PM	#28
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire you want yard on fourth down? PT is the call. he will slither through an opening the OL can make as long as they make one and it was there in tampa. Ingram squared up in the hole and gave the LB a great target. thats the difference in the two styles of RB and the reason the blocking has to be different depending on the back jeanpierre likes this.

09-18-2013, 12:45 PM	#29
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire That series of plays happened right in front of where I was sitting. Should have never tried to throw it on first down, should have been a power run behind Collins and Evans all 4 tries if needed. PT did run the ball on 3rd down not Ingram. Ingram ran it on 2nd and 4th down. He never had a chance on either run and also that grass was coming up after the rain which the field crew had to repair during half time and he had no traction. In the dome, I believe he scores. While I will agree Ingram has not performed as well as we would like, I do want to point out that he is always in against base defenses which usually has the 8 guys in the box which is how Jimmy scored the first TD. Ingram was in the game and Tampa had base run defense in and Drew checked out of run and hit a wide open Jimmy because the LB couldn't keep up. I know some of us keep repeating the same thing about defensive personnel but it is easier for Sproles and PT when they run against the nickle packages as oppose to Ingram trying to run against base packages. Now with that said he still needs to run better and it starts with the OL getting some sort of push which they are struggling with right now.

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