Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire

09-18-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

How much trouble did Doug Martin have with traction?

RB Martin, 28-yd, run - NFL Videos

I should have clarified the traction statement. Near the endzones was bad. I guess the water drains to the endzones so inside the 5 thru the endzone was bad. There was even a twitter comment before the game how bad it was by the goal lines. Martin never got close to the goal line all day. His work was done between the 20's.

SaintsBro · 09-18-2013, 02:57 PM

You can see it in this video, after the camera zooms in, you can see the divots and the general muck down there by the goal line area. It was visibly worse there than in the middle of the field.

Not giving Mr. Ingram any excuses though, but the field WAS really sloppy. He looks even worse in slow motion. Which as a lifetime watcher of the old "NFL Films" productions, I can tell you that's not a good thing. You are supposed to look AWESOME running in slow motion, with an orchestral funk sports rock soundtrack.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers stuff New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram on goal-line stand - NFL Videos

blackangold · 09-18-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Seriously?! We traded Ivory for the opportunity to draft John Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Ivory and Ingram both combined so far this year...

We could have easily traded Ingram away to the jets for the same picks.... Seriously...

Now I don't think he is much trade bait at all.

|Mitch| · 09-18-2013, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We could have easily traded Ingram away to the jets for the same picks.... Seriously...

Wrong; the Jets started the trade... They wanted Ivory not Ingram... They were trying to get Ivory even before the draft started, I believe...

blackangold · 09-18-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We didn't let IRvory go for Ingram.

I'd also love to see what Robinson can do, but he's no mini-Ivory. He's a mini-PT. He's much more versatile than Ivory. We just don't know about pass-pro and durability yet.

We had the option to shop Ivory or Ingram... The staff wanted Ingram. No doubt we could have traded for similar if not the same value for Ingram. There was a decision made of which RB to trade.

I guess I should have phrased my statement differently.

Rugby Saint II · 09-18-2013, 09:54 PM

It was his fault.....he trusted ingram to get the job done.

Utah_Saint · 09-18-2013, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I absolutely noticed that Ingram was benched after that 4th and goal and I pray to God that Payton is finally fed-up. Enough is enough.

We didn't get the ball back in the first half after getting stuffed on the goal line.
In the second half...
Ingram got two more carries
Pierre got four more carries
Sproles got two more.

I don't think Ingram was benched and if so, it was only until 5:22 in the third quarter.

09-18-2013, 02:42 PM	#31
Threaded by Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by TheOak How much trouble did Doug Martin have with traction? RB Martin, 28-yd, run - NFL Videos I should have clarified the traction statement. Near the endzones was bad. I guess the water drains to the endzones so inside the 5 thru the endzone was bad. There was even a twitter comment before the game how bad it was by the goal lines. Martin never got close to the goal line all day. His work was done between the 20's.
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09-18-2013, 03:23 PM	#33
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Seriously?! We traded Ivory for the opportunity to draft John Jenkins. Jenkins has outplayed Ivory and Ingram both combined so far this year... We could have easily traded Ingram away to the jets for the same picks.... Seriously... Now I don't think he is much trade bait at all.

09-18-2013, 03:26 PM	#34
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by blackangold We could have easily traded Ingram away to the jets for the same picks.... Seriously... Wrong; the Jets started the trade... They wanted Ivory not Ingram... They were trying to get Ivory even before the draft started, I believe...

09-18-2013, 03:28 PM	#35
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by Danno We didn't let IRvory go for Ingram. I'd also love to see what Robinson can do, but he's no mini-Ivory. He's a mini-PT. He's much more versatile than Ivory. We just don't know about pass-pro and durability yet. We had the option to shop Ivory or Ingram... The staff wanted Ingram. No doubt we could have traded for similar if not the same value for Ingram. There was a decision made of which RB to trade. I guess I should have phrased my statement differently.

09-18-2013, 09:54 PM	#36
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire It was his fault.....he trusted ingram to get the job done.

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09-18-2013, 11:38 PM	#37
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I absolutely noticed that Ingram was benched after that 4th and goal and I pray to God that Payton is finally fed-up. Enough is enough. We didn't get the ball back in the first half after getting stuffed on the goal line. In the second half... Ingram got two more carries Pierre got four more carries Sproles got two more. I don't think Ingram was benched and if so, it was only until 5:22 in the third quarter.

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