Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire

Mardigras9 · 09-17-2013, 12:30 PM

Should have been PT in that situation, that is the only real mistake.

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 12:36 PM

@LarryHolder: RT @Gil_Brandt: Look for @Saints coach Sean Payton to become spokesperson for @Reebok. Contract to include bonus for being named COY.

Jack Vegas · 09-17-2013, 12:44 PM

This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once.

Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing.

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once.

Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing.

Yea but we would have to assign Mike Bell his own personal equipment manager.

Danno · 09-17-2013, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once.

Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing.

Right about Ivory, but Mike Bell was no better than Ingram.

Jack Vegas · 09-17-2013, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Right about Ivory, but Mike Bell was no better than Ingram.

I'd argue that he was. He was more consistent, showed the ability to carry the load by himself in several games, and was dependable in short yardage. All things that Ingram lacks.

He also wouldn't have cost a first-round draft pick. All because we overreacted to all the running back injuries from the year before.

SaintsBro · 09-17-2013, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once.

If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important....

Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton.

This could be about to get interesting.

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important....

Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton.

This could be about to get interesting.

Just went through the play by play.. Looks like Ingram had 2 touches in the 3rd Qtr and none in the 4th Qtr.

SaintsBro · 09-17-2013, 12:47 PM

I think even WITHOUT the Ingram factor, it was totally not the right play call. Payton even says it -- he knew that whatever the initial call was on the field, from the refs, touchdown or no touchdown, he knew it was not going to be overturned, regardless of whether it REALLY was a touchdown or not. It was just gonna be a big pile of bodies, and they always let the initial ruling on the field stand when they see that. The only way to make that play is to REALLY make it, where the guy is unequivocally IN THE END ZONE, busted completely through, or stretched out where he falls into the end zone by three or four feet. Because everything else with trying to figure out is his knee down or was forward progress stopped, where is the invisible line, did he get across, that's all just malarky when it comes to a referee deciding a touchdown like that. You have to be clearly IN to get it. And Ingram is just not "that" guy.

Psychologically, the refs had already seen the Saints O-line get pushed back and pushed back, when running the ball right there. They were NOT gonna give the Saints the benefit of the doubt, on a sketchy touchdown push, "breaking the plane" type stuff, NO WAY.

lee909 · 09-17-2013, 02:01 PM

Just give the ball to Terron Armstead on short work,his 40yard time is 0:03 behind Ingram and try stopping a 305lb man gaining that yard.

Im only half serious but it could work

09-17-2013, 12:30 PM	#1
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Should have been PT in that situation, that is the only real mistake. ClintSaints and MarchingOn like this.

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09-17-2013, 12:44 PM	#3
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once. Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing. MarchingOn likes this.
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09-17-2013, 12:48 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by Jack Vegas This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once. Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing. Yea but we would have to assign Mike Bell his own personal equipment manager.

09-17-2013, 01:35 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by Jack Vegas This is what a good coach does. Privately I bet he is just as frustrated with Ingram as the rest of us. You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once. Also, forget Ivory. He's too injury prone to play that "tough back" role effectively over the course of a whole season. But you know who I miss? Mike Bell. That dude was money, a perfect fit for the offense, and we let him walk for nothing. Right about Ivory, but Mike Bell was no better than Ingram. saintsfan403 likes this.

09-17-2013, 05:12 PM	#6
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by Danno Right about Ivory, but Mike Bell was no better than Ingram. I'd argue that he was. He was more consistent, showed the ability to carry the load by himself in several games, and was dependable in short yardage. All things that Ingram lacks. He also wouldn't have cost a first-round draft pick. All because we overreacted to all the running back injuries from the year before.
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09-17-2013, 04:27 PM	#7
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You might notice that Ingram played very few snaps in the second half of that game and I think only touched the ball once. If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important.... Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton. This could be about to get interesting. TheOak likes this.

09-17-2013, 06:06 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Originally Posted by SaintsBro If true, this could turn out to be SUPER important.... Because once you're in Payton's doghouse, you pretty much become invisible to him. I remember watching Reggie Bush on the sidelines in the Seattle playoff loss, standing next to him, being totally IGNORED by Payton, who literally wouldn't even look at him, except for shooting him DON'T EVEN THINK OF TALKING TO ME looks. Mike Bell slipped on the one yard line, got yelled at, disappeared in the second half of the Super Bowl, and never came back. Remember the interview where Chris Ivory actually came out and said, the coaches "weren't talking to him" during practice....I even remember some game years ago with Joe Horn, seeing him on the sidelines, on TV, looking like he wanted desperately to go in the game, and getting the ignore treatment from Payton. This could be about to get interesting. Just went through the play by play.. Looks like Ingram had 2 touches in the 3rd Qtr and none in the 4th Qtr.

09-17-2013, 12:47 PM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire I think even WITHOUT the Ingram factor, it was totally not the right play call. Payton even says it -- he knew that whatever the initial call was on the field, from the refs, touchdown or no touchdown, he knew it was not going to be overturned, regardless of whether it REALLY was a touchdown or not. It was just gonna be a big pile of bodies, and they always let the initial ruling on the field stand when they see that. The only way to make that play is to REALLY make it, where the guy is unequivocally IN THE END ZONE, busted completely through, or stretched out where he falls into the end zone by three or four feet. Because everything else with trying to figure out is his knee down or was forward progress stopped, where is the invisible line, did he get across, that's all just malarky when it comes to a referee deciding a touchdown like that. You have to be clearly IN to get it. And Ingram is just not "that" guy. Psychologically, the refs had already seen the Saints O-line get pushed back and pushed back, when running the ball right there. They were NOT gonna give the Saints the benefit of the doubt, on a sketchy touchdown push, "breaking the plane" type stuff, NO WAY.

09-17-2013, 02:01 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints' Sean Payton takes blame for fourth-and-goal misfire Just give the ball to Terron Armstead on short work,his 40yard time is 0:03 behind Ingram and try stopping a 305lb man gaining that yard. Im only half serious but it could work homerj07 and ClintSaints like this.

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