No Running Game

thebdj · 10-06-2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

So what you are saying is, you would rather see Pierre score by making five smaller grinding 5 yard runs, then on a single 25 yard screen pass. OK.

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed.

Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times.

We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game.

dueceloose · 10-06-2013, 07:42 PM

PT may have struggled but he does more than Ingram.. So why don't we steal a ol from someones PS or something Lol. 5-0 super bowl bound

alleycat_126 · 10-06-2013, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed.

Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times.

We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game.

Cant we argue about this when it causes us to lose a game. This is a waste of keystrokes. For this version of the Saints at the skill positions the threat is so much more important than the run itself. An effective run opens up the play action..... And the play action today was there.... Robert Meacham was robbed?

This game was about as balanced as the Saints have been... And to the actual running games credit as long as Briggs didn't shoot the gap we were getting 5-6 yards per instead of the Mark Ingrams 1-2 yrds per... and we actually made the a few of the 4-1s' we took vs getting stopped on 4-1 because there was no second effort....

WHODATINCA · 10-06-2013, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Cant we argue about this when it causes us to lose a game.

Nope.

We will talk about all aspects of concern, when it comes to this team and what the unquestioned experts here, think will add to continued success.

LOL

arsaint · 10-06-2013, 05:01 PM

I would agree the running game still doesn't look good, but I was more pleased with the pass protection, so maybe the O line is (pardon the overused expression) starting to gel.

Drew did not seem to be in "run for your life" mode nearly as often this week.

The Dude · 10-06-2013, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

I would agree the running game still doesn't look good, but I was more pleased with the pass protection, so maybe the O line is (pardon the overused expression) starting to gel.

Drew did not seem to be in "run for your life" mode nearly as often this week.

I was encouraged that our running game did better, even in spite of a wet field.Dont get me wrong we are a long way from being where we should be, but we got better and thats something to build on. Our pass protections was head and shoulders above what it has been.

TheOak · 10-06-2013, 05:02 PM

Ever took the homecoming queen to prom? Even if you wake up and realize your out of your league, you shut it and enjoy the ride.

Danno · 10-06-2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ever took the homecoming queen to prom? Even if you wake up and realize your out of your league, you shut it and enjoy the ride.

Actually married one!!!

onebyone · 10-06-2013, 05:02 PM

Don't worry. Once Ingram gets back, he will turn all that around. We just got to hold on until then.

Edited to add: I am just playing. When I hear our running game isn't good, I think of how much worse it would be if he was in there.

44Champs · 10-06-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by onebyone

Don't worry. Once Ingram gets back, he will turn all that around. We just got to hold on until then.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a serious comment or not

10-06-2013, 05:06 PM	#1
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by SaintsBro So what you are saying is, you would rather see Pierre score by making five smaller grinding 5 yard runs, then on a single 25 yard screen pass. OK. Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed. Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times. We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game.

10-06-2013, 07:42 PM	#2
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: No Running Game PT may have struggled but he does more than Ingram.. So why don't we steal a ol from someones PS or something Lol. 5-0 super bowl bound
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10-06-2013, 09:33 PM	#3
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by thebdj Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed. Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times. We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game. Cant we argue about this when it causes us to lose a game. This is a waste of keystrokes. For this version of the Saints at the skill positions the threat is so much more important than the run itself. An effective run opens up the play action..... And the play action today was there.... Robert Meacham was robbed? This game was about as balanced as the Saints have been... And to the actual running games credit as long as Briggs didn't shoot the gap we were getting 5-6 yards per instead of the Mark Ingrams 1-2 yrds per... and we actually made the a few of the 4-1s' we took vs getting stopped on 4-1 because there was no second effort.... ScottF, SaintsBro and dam1953 like this.
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10-06-2013, 10:15 PM	#4
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Cant we argue about this when it causes us to lose a game. Nope. We will talk about all aspects of concern, when it comes to this team and what the unquestioned experts here, think will add to continued success. LOL

10-06-2013, 05:01 PM	#5
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: No Running Game I would agree the running game still doesn't look good, but I was more pleased with the pass protection, so maybe the O line is (pardon the overused expression) starting to gel. Drew did not seem to be in "run for your life" mode nearly as often this week. ScottF likes this.

10-06-2013, 07:17 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by arsaint I would agree the running game still doesn't look good, but I was more pleased with the pass protection, so maybe the O line is (pardon the overused expression) starting to gel. Drew did not seem to be in "run for your life" mode nearly as often this week. I was encouraged that our running game did better, even in spite of a wet field.Dont get me wrong we are a long way from being where we should be, but we got better and thats something to build on. Our pass protections was head and shoulders above what it has been.
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10-06-2013, 05:02 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: No Running Game Ever took the homecoming queen to prom? Even if you wake up and realize your out of your league, you shut it and enjoy the ride. Danno, Beastmode, SaintsBro and 2 others like this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by TheOak Ever took the homecoming queen to prom? Even if you wake up and realize your out of your league, you shut it and enjoy the ride. Actually married one!!! Rugby Saint II likes this.

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onebyone 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 431	Re: No Running Game Don't worry. Once Ingram gets back, he will turn all that around. We just got to hold on until then. Edited to add: I am just playing. When I hear our running game isn't good, I think of how much worse it would be if he was in there. pherein and WHODATINCA like this.
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10-06-2013, 05:05 PM	#10
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by onebyone Don't worry. Once Ingram gets back, he will turn all that around. We just got to hold on until then. I can't tell if this is supposed to be a serious comment or not onebyone likes this.
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