We're not a Super Bowl team

thebdj · 11-03-2013, 03:25 PM

Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays??????

Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow.

blackangold · 11-03-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays??????

Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow.

2011 Carmichael called the plays after the TB game. (record setting year)
2012 Carmichael called the plays and had the 1st rank offense.

Payton is good but Carmichael has done a better job at calling plays and from what I have seen this year Payton is rusty as hell.

ChrisXVI · 11-03-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays??????

Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow.

He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful.

|Mitch| · 11-03-2013, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles

Is that on Payton or Brees forcing? You know there is more than one receiver on every play...

dizzle88 · 11-03-2013, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Is that on Payton or Brees forcing? You know there is more than one receiver on every play...

Even though the pass to jimmy on his second td was awesome, brees stared him down the whole way, if cromartie looked at brees for a second that would be a 99 yard pick 6

WillMacKenzie · 11-03-2013, 03:44 PM

I'd like to see more of a commitment to trying to run. I understand the line isn't all-pro, but commit. And leave a RB in to help protect Brees. All the empty sets leave 0 threat to run, and you are making yourself one dimensional. Brees will be dead by week 10 if we don't do a better job. Still not a lost season though, just a rough patch. It'll do good to face adversity in the long run

WHODATINCA · 11-04-2013, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I'd like to see more of a commitment to trying to run. I understand the line isn't all-pro, but commit. And leave a RB in to help protect Brees. All the empty sets leave 0 threat to run, and you are making yourself one dimensional. Brees will be dead by week 10 if we don't do a better job. Still not a lost season though, just a rough patch. It'll do good to face adversity in the long run

If we don't do what you suggest, then we should teach Brees to lean his head into the oncoming rusher -- so at least we get some yards out of it. Worked well today!!

dizzle88 · 11-03-2013, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful.

I wanted SP to call plays this season, but man you are so right

SP's playcalling is getting embarrassing, like 2007 reggie bush reverse with a minute left to go and fumbling kinda embarrassing

thebdj · 11-03-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful.

Ok, ok. I have my calm down moment. I totally agree with the Graham and Sproles thing. It's boring and predictable, especially in the absence of a run game.

I knew Carmichael was involved in the play-calling in the 2011 season after TB and obviously in 2012 but outside of bounty-gate year I didn't realise he ever had full control of play-calling. If that IS the case, and I am happy to take heed to your knowledge, then maybe this is something we need to consider? I just always thought everything was coming through Payton....

The Dude · 11-03-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays??????

Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow.

He is known for being one of the best offensive minds in the game, not specifically for his play calling ability. There is a difference.
No clue as to why Carmichael is not calling plays.

11-03-2013, 03:25 PM	#1
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays?????? Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow.

11-03-2013, 03:28 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by thebdj Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays?????? Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow. 2011 Carmichael called the plays after the TB game. (record setting year) 2012 Carmichael called the plays and had the 1st rank offense. Payton is good but Carmichael has done a better job at calling plays and from what I have seen this year Payton is rusty as hell.

11-03-2013, 03:32 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by thebdj Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays?????? Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow. He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful. dizzle88 and WHODATINCA like this.

11-03-2013, 03:34 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles Is that on Payton or Brees forcing? You know there is more than one receiver on every play... Halo and hagan714 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Is that on Payton or Brees forcing? You know there is more than one receiver on every play... Even though the pass to jimmy on his second td was awesome, brees stared him down the whole way, if cromartie looked at brees for a second that would be a 99 yard pick 6 thebdj and ChrisXVI like this.

11-03-2013, 03:44 PM	#6
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team I'd like to see more of a commitment to trying to run. I understand the line isn't all-pro, but commit. And leave a RB in to help protect Brees. All the empty sets leave 0 threat to run, and you are making yourself one dimensional. Brees will be dead by week 10 if we don't do a better job. Still not a lost season though, just a rough patch. It'll do good to face adversity in the long run Halo likes this.

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WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I'd like to see more of a commitment to trying to run. I understand the line isn't all-pro, but commit. And leave a RB in to help protect Brees. All the empty sets leave 0 threat to run, and you are making yourself one dimensional. Brees will be dead by week 10 if we don't do a better job. Still not a lost season though, just a rough patch. It'll do good to face adversity in the long run If we don't do what you suggest, then we should teach Brees to lean his head into the oncoming rusher -- so at least we get some yards out of it. Worked well today!!

11-03-2013, 03:35 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by ChrisXVI He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful. I wanted SP to call plays this season, but man you are so right SP's playcalling is getting embarrassing, like 2007 reggie bush reverse with a minute left to go and fumbling kinda embarrassing ChrisXVI likes this.

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thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by ChrisXVI He isn't the best play caller this season. Force the ball to Jimmy Graham, force the ball to Darren Sproles and if those options aren't available we'll call stupid-ass plays like letting a backup TE run the ball. Sean Payton hasn't been the best play caller since the 09 season. Carmichael took over in 2010 and did a phenomenal job. Payton took the reins this season and his play calling has been awful. Ok, ok. I have my calm down moment. I totally agree with the Graham and Sproles thing. It's boring and predictable, especially in the absence of a run game. I knew Carmichael was involved in the play-calling in the 2011 season after TB and obviously in 2012 but outside of bounty-gate year I didn't realise he ever had full control of play-calling. If that IS the case, and I am happy to take heed to your knowledge, then maybe this is something we need to consider? I just always thought everything was coming through Payton....

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: We're not a Super Bowl team Originally Posted by thebdj Payton shouldn't be calling the offensive plays?????? Today was one of the worst offensive performances I have seen from the Saints in years but are you on something mate? At the end of the day it is one loss. You are calling out arguably the best offensive play caller in a decade? Wow. He is known for being one of the best offensive minds in the game, not specifically for his play calling ability. There is a difference. No clue as to why Carmichael is not calling plays. thebdj likes this.
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