Problems we cannot fix in time

Danno · 11-03-2013, 07:09 PM

We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then.

westbankdaze · 11-03-2013, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then.

I think Oline hasn't been great all season though. Today was really bad but we have been giving up a lot of sacks this season.

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Danno · 11-03-2013, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

I think Oline hasn't been great all season though. Today was really bad but we have been giving up a lot of sacks this season.

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I agree, they've regressed since last year. But we have seen this same group play well so I'm not convinced we can't fix it, especially if Evans gets healthy. He's the key.

reggiedude · 11-04-2013, 08:49 AM

Agree, O-line is not even average, it's below average for sure. My concern is take one of these games Drew is going to get injured and then we are done.
It may be just a matter of time.

hagan714 · 11-04-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by reggiedude

Agree, O-line is not even average, it's below average for sure. My concern is take one of these games Drew is going to get injured and then we are done.
It may be just a matter of time.

no i disagree the OL has degraded in the past few years to an average OL.

defensive game planning is simple.

stunt the center and you collapse the pocket. if the DT are big enough (IE carolina) he can be bull rushed. he wont give up many sacks but you will flush Drew out of the pocket and not let him step up. get your hands up to deflect some passes because you will be in his face.

LOT can be handled most of the time so the TE and RB will be chip blocking to help out. keep your head up because he will be flushed to you. LB 70% of the time the safety valve is coming out of the left side of the formation. easy pick up.

both guards are over whelmed trying to cover up this weakness so they too can be had during the game.

end of story.

saintsfan403 · 11-03-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then.

You just made the most sense of any post I've read all day. Kudos, sir.

Danno · 11-03-2013, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

You just made the most sense of any post I've read all day. Kudos, sir.

I've said it 100 times in one form or another. We played a really really crappy game today. Not as bad as the Cleveland game 3 years ago, but pretty bad.

We gave it to the Jets with numerous unforced errors. I just don't see any way possible our offense plays that badly for the rest of the season.

I see 5-3 over the next 8 games at worst. Yeah, if we play as bad as we did today we won't win 3 games, but that's not gonna happen, especially with 4 home games left.

NonieT · 11-03-2013, 08:12 PM

Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also.

Danno · 11-03-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also.

DAMN EXCELLENT POINT. We went zone thinking it would help our run game. We might need to revisit that decision.

ChrisXVI · 11-03-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also.

Amen. Zone blocking would work better for Armstead and a more athletic RT... But it doesn't suit Brown and Strief. With that being said, Brown and DLP are free agents after this year so I wouldn't be surprised if we let them both go and move forward with Armstead and a center that we pick in the first round of the draft.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then. Joker likes this.

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westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by Danno We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then. I think Oline hasn't been great all season though. Today was really bad but we have been giving up a lot of sacks this season. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by westbankdaze I think Oline hasn't been great all season though. Today was really bad but we have been giving up a lot of sacks this season. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I agree, they've regressed since last year. But we have seen this same group play well so I'm not convinced we can't fix it, especially if Evans gets healthy. He's the key.

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reggiedude Registered Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 76	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Agree, O-line is not even average, it's below average for sure. My concern is take one of these games Drew is going to get injured and then we are done. It may be just a matter of time. mikesaintfan likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by reggiedude Agree, O-line is not even average, it's below average for sure. My concern is take one of these games Drew is going to get injured and then we are done. It may be just a matter of time. no i disagree the OL has degraded in the past few years to an average OL. defensive game planning is simple. stunt the center and you collapse the pocket. if the DT are big enough (IE carolina) he can be bull rushed. he wont give up many sacks but you will flush Drew out of the pocket and not let him step up. get your hands up to deflect some passes because you will be in his face. LOT can be handled most of the time so the TE and RB will be chip blocking to help out. keep your head up because he will be flushed to you. LB 70% of the time the safety valve is coming out of the left side of the formation. easy pick up. both guards are over whelmed trying to cover up this weakness so they too can be had during the game. end of story.
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saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by Danno We just need to play better. We played badly today, it happens to every team now and then. You just made the most sense of any post I've read all day. Kudos, sir.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by saintsfan403 You just made the most sense of any post I've read all day. Kudos, sir. I've said it 100 times in one form or another. We played a really really crappy game today. Not as bad as the Cleveland game 3 years ago, but pretty bad. We gave it to the Jets with numerous unforced errors. I just don't see any way possible our offense plays that badly for the rest of the season. I see 5-3 over the next 8 games at worst. Yeah, if we play as bad as we did today we won't win 3 games, but that's not gonna happen, especially with 4 home games left.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also. Boutte and Joker like this.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by NonieT Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also. DAMN EXCELLENT POINT. We went zone thinking it would help our run game. We might need to revisit that decision.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Problems we cannot fix in time Originally Posted by NonieT Are the Saints still zone blocking on the OLine because if they are it is not working. They should go back to gap blocking. Last season we had the same center and guards and they did fine. I think gap blocking would benefit Charles Brown also. Amen. Zone blocking would work better for Armstead and a more athletic RT... But it doesn't suit Brown and Strief. With that being said, Brown and DLP are free agents after this year so I wouldn't be surprised if we let them both go and move forward with Armstead and a center that we pick in the first round of the draft.

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