Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme

Barry from MS · 11-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Defense didn't poop the bed completely, as they did give up monster yards in the run defense.

However, couple of factors with NYJ scoring 26 points:
1) INT @ our 48 yard line. NYJ gets 27 yards & kicks FG = 3 points
2) Following TD, we give up 42 yd KO return to NYJ 39. They need only 61 yards to answer with their own TD = 7 points
3) INT @ our 39 yard line. NYJ gets 39 yards for TD = 7 points.

NYJ scored 17 points and only had to go 127 yards to get them. Defense did as well as could be expected considering the turds our offense and special teams coverage unit kept giving them. NYJ actually EARNED 9 points from their offense; our offense and special teams directed contributed to the other 17.

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years.

That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz?

Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however.

Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno

If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game.
Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles.

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Defense didn't poop the bed completely, as they did give up monster yards in the run defense.

However, couple of factors with NYJ scoring 26 points:
1) INT @ our 48 yard line. NYJ gets 27 yards & kicks FG = 3 points
2) Following TD, we give up 42 yd KO return to NYJ 39. They need only 61 yards to answer with their own TD = 7 points
3) INT @ our 39 yard line. NYJ gets 39 yards for TD = 7 points.

NYJ scored 17 points and only had to go 127 yards to get them. Defense did as well as could be expected considering the turds our offense and special teams coverage unit kept giving them. NYJ actually EARNED 9 points from their offense; our offense and special teams directed contributed to the other 17.

Defense has to step up with the Offense playing so poorly. This is the worst offense we have had since 2005.

Danno · 11-04-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno

If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game.
Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles.

Wait, say what???

Barry from MS · 11-04-2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Defense has to step up with the Offense playing so poorly. This is the worst offense we have had since 2005.

Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage.

Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday.

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage.

Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday.

I think our D played well enough and the O just didn't come up with the plays when we needed them. The TOs killed us as well. I agree with you. I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest.

halloween 65 · 11-04-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Says it all.

All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing.

Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol

Danno · 11-04-2013, 07:35 PM

Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage.

I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play.
What formation were we in?
Why isn't a LB in that hole?
Were we blitzing?
Was it a breakdown?
Was that photoshopped?
Why wasn't a hold called?
What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

halloween 65 · 11-04-2013, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing.

Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol

Truthfully I was thinking of Vaughn Johnson, I would take someone like him and Mills in a heartbeat.

11-04-2013, 06:37 PM	#21
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Defense didn't poop the bed completely, as they did give up monster yards in the run defense. However, couple of factors with NYJ scoring 26 points: 1) INT @ our 48 yard line. NYJ gets 27 yards & kicks FG = 3 points 2) Following TD, we give up 42 yd KO return to NYJ 39. They need only 61 yards to answer with their own TD = 7 points 3) INT @ our 39 yard line. NYJ gets 39 yards for TD = 7 points. NYJ scored 17 points and only had to go 127 yards to get them. Defense did as well as could be expected considering the turds our offense and special teams coverage unit kept giving them. NYJ actually EARNED 9 points from their offense; our offense and special teams directed contributed to the other 17.
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11-04-2013, 06:37 PM	#22
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years. That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz? Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however. Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game. Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles. Barry from MS likes this.

11-04-2013, 06:40 PM	#23
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Barry from MS Defense didn't poop the bed completely, as they did give up monster yards in the run defense. However, couple of factors with NYJ scoring 26 points: 1) INT @ our 48 yard line. NYJ gets 27 yards & kicks FG = 3 points 2) Following TD, we give up 42 yd KO return to NYJ 39. They need only 61 yards to answer with their own TD = 7 points 3) INT @ our 39 yard line. NYJ gets 39 yards for TD = 7 points. NYJ scored 17 points and only had to go 127 yards to get them. Defense did as well as could be expected considering the turds our offense and special teams coverage unit kept giving them. NYJ actually EARNED 9 points from their offense; our offense and special teams directed contributed to the other 17. Defense has to step up with the Offense playing so poorly. This is the worst offense we have had since 2005.

11-04-2013, 06:42 PM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game. Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles. Wait, say what??? blackangold likes this.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold Defense has to step up with the Offense playing so poorly. This is the worst offense we have had since 2005. Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage. Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday. Danno likes this.
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11-04-2013, 07:26 PM	#26
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Barry from MS Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage. Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday. I think our D played well enough and the O just didn't come up with the plays when we needed them. The TOs killed us as well. I agree with you. I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest.

11-04-2013, 07:26 PM	#27
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by exile Says it all. All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

11-04-2013, 07:30 PM	#28
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by halloween 65 All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle. Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing. Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol Danno and Barry from MS like this.

11-04-2013, 07:35 PM	#29
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good. I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage. I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play. What formation were we in? Why isn't a LB in that hole? Were we blitzing? Was it a breakdown? Was that photoshopped? Why wasn't a hold called? What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

11-04-2013, 07:37 PM	#30
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing. Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol Truthfully I was thinking of Vaughn Johnson, I would take someone like him and Mills in a heartbeat. jeanpierre likes this.

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