Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage.

Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday.

I think our D played well enough and the O just didn't come up with the plays when we needed them. The TOs killed us as well. I agree with you. I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest.

Barry from MS · 11-04-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

...I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest.

15 rushing yards in the 1st half. I reckon he was salivating over the Bengals putting up 49 the week before on that secondary, and that we'd beat that secondary deep early and often. Oh well...onward and upwards.

Danno · 11-04-2013, 06:35 PM

Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage.

I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play.
What formation were we in?
Why isn't a LB in that hole?
Were we blitzing?
Was it a breakdown?
Was that photoshopped?
Why wasn't a hold called?
What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

exile · 11-04-2013, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good.

Pretty sure that it's seahorse. And pretty sure the refs looked away.

halloween 65 · 11-04-2013, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage.

I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play.
What formation were we in?
Why isn't a LB in that hole?
Were we blitzing?
Was it a breakdown?
Was that photoshopped?
Why wasn't a hold called?
What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

And I thought I ask alot of questions!! All valid though.

Budsdrinker · 11-05-2013, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage.

I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play.
What formation were we in?
Why isn't a LB in that hole?
Were we blitzing?
Was it a breakdown?
Was that photoshopped?
Why wasn't a hold called?
What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

Just watched it and Hawthorne ran into the back of Hicks I believe and fell down. Clearly his fault not being in the hole.

Vrillon82 · 11-04-2013, 08:14 PM

Saints only managed 6 pts in the 2nd half, that is one problem.

As for the run defense, I hope this is wasnt exposing anything troubling, the 49ers are a team that does what the Jets do.

11-04-2013, 06:26 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Barry from MS Agreed that the D must step up, and I believe the D did just that when they forced NYJ to kick 4 FGs and that NYJ scored both of their TDs on drives of 39 yards and 61 yards. 100 yards for 14 points, no thanks to the offense and special team coverage. Remember we played without Colston and Sproles yesterday, though, and both are drive-extending, first-down makers. We don't execute nearly as efficiently without them in there, and it is glaringly obvious. Pedestrian offense without them, adding the fact the NYJ D-line killed our O-line all day long. DLP should donate his game check to rehabilitating prostitutes, 'cause he got pimp-slapped for 29 minutes and 38 seconds yesterday. I think our D played well enough and the O just didn't come up with the plays when we needed them. The TOs killed us as well. I agree with you. I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest.

11-04-2013, 07:00 PM	#2
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold ...I still don't get why Payton got away from the run so early. Our running game hasn't been effective all year but we stuck with it and made the D play the run; against the Jets we didn't even try to keep them honest. 15 rushing yards in the 1st half. I reckon he was salivating over the Bengals putting up 49 the week before on that secondary, and that we'd beat that secondary deep early and often. Oh well...onward and upwards.

11-04-2013, 06:35 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good. I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage. I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play. What formation were we in? Why isn't a LB in that hole? Were we blitzing? Was it a breakdown? Was that photoshopped? Why wasn't a hold called? What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole?

11-04-2013, 06:41 PM	#4
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good. Pretty sure that it's seahorse. And pretty sure the refs looked away.
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11-04-2013, 06:50 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good. I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage. I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play. What formation were we in? Why isn't a LB in that hole? Were we blitzing? Was it a breakdown? Was that photoshopped? Why wasn't a hold called? What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole? And I thought I ask alot of questions!! All valid though.

11-05-2013, 09:39 AM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Cant tell if thats Hicks or Jenkins, but either way its not good. I'm no expert but I'm guessing a 9 foot wide hole is a pretty good indicator that the RB will gain decent yardage. I'd love to see the all-22 to see what the heck happened on that play. What formation were we in? Why isn't a LB in that hole? Were we blitzing? Was it a breakdown? Was that photoshopped? Why wasn't a hold called? What could our RB's do with a 9 foot wide hole? Just watched it and Hawthorne ran into the back of Hicks I believe and fell down. Clearly his fault not being in the hole.

11-04-2013, 08:14 PM	#7
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Saints only managed 6 pts in the 2nd half, that is one problem. As for the run defense, I hope this is wasnt exposing anything troubling, the 49ers are a team that does what the Jets do.
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