Incognito or Martin - Would you want them??

skymike · 11-06-2013, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

... Remember Riley Cooper?

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.

Originally Posted by Boutte

Substitute the word bullying with harassment.

OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

TheOak · 11-06-2013, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.
OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

SloMotion · 11-06-2013, 01:00 PM

I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link,

, but it does kind of prove my point.

This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him.

Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet.

rezburna · 11-06-2013, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, , but it does kind of prove my point.

This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him.

Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet.

His context isn't the same as Riley Cooper's. Not even by a long shot. I never cared if a white team mate used the word around me, but if he respected me or blacks in general at all then he wouldn't even use it regardless.

Also, the "usage in rap" argument is so stupid. Eminem, Yelawolf, Macklemore, Machine Gun Kelly, none of them use it, and they'd be far more accepted in the black community then Incognito. Hell, they already are. That, and the whole culture of the locker room talk is bs. Now like I said, what he said doesn't bother me. I became immune to it years ago. But this faulty ass logic created by people who aren't even black is ridiculous.

saintfan · 11-06-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

You harass your secretary. You don't harass your left tackle.

Now that's freaking funny right there..

Beastmode · 11-06-2013, 02:27 PM

Commit a Federal crime, costs taxpayers millions and you get a call from the President when done playing football in prison.Racial slurs and verbal attacks with little factual truth and extent of it and your career is over for the season, maybe longer.

ScottF · 11-06-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

Originally Posted by skymike

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.
OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

several Eagles (Williams, Jackson) have very vocally not moved on. That's the problem with these situations- they are not fixed until someone leaves the team

TheOak · 11-06-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, , but it does kind of prove my point.

This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him.

Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet.

Monumental difference in the usages below.

White boy drunk talking smack with a good friend ~ "N**** please!"
Incognito ~ "you half n----- piece of s---"

WHODATINCA · 11-06-2013, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I agree with that which is why I said a minimum...

This will turn I to Miamigate before the leagues investigation is over... Mark my words.

Extortion of $15,000 - Prosecutable offense.
Phone Harassment - Prosecutable offense.
The racism will bring in the NAACP and could turn the above into hate crimes.

Look for the NFLPA to push an investigation of the Dolphins.

I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.

exile · 11-06-2013, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.

Agreed but it is confusing whether he meant it or was just friendly ribbing Martin. Heck, I have friends that would say something like that to me and I wouldn't take it seriously. Strange story indeed.

“I think if you had asked Jon Martin a week before who his best friend on the team was, he would have said Richie Incognito,” Tannehill said. “The first guy to stand up for Jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle, Richie was the first guy there. When we would hang on off the field, outside football, who was together? Richie and Jon. I’m not in those guys’ shoes, I can’t explain what’s going on.”

READ MORE: Ryan Tannehill says Incognito and Martin were best friends | ProFootballTalk

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by TheOak ... Remember Riley Cooper? Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. Originally Posted by Boutte Substitute the word bullying with harassment. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. jeanpierre likes this.

11-06-2013, 11:53 AM	#62
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

11-06-2013, 01:00 PM	#63
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, , but it does kind of prove my point. This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him. Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet.

11-06-2013, 01:27 PM	#64
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by SloMotion I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, , but it does kind of prove my point. This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him. Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet. His context isn't the same as Riley Cooper's. Not even by a long shot. I never cared if a white team mate used the word around me, but if he respected me or blacks in general at all then he wouldn't even use it regardless. Also, the "usage in rap" argument is so stupid. Eminem, Yelawolf, Macklemore, Machine Gun Kelly, none of them use it, and they'd be far more accepted in the black community then Incognito. Hell, they already are. That, and the whole culture of the locker room talk is bs. Now like I said, what he said doesn't bother me. I became immune to it years ago. But this faulty ass logic created by people who aren't even black is ridiculous.
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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by TheOak Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc. Originally Posted by skymike Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. several Eagles (Williams, Jackson) have very vocally not moved on. That's the problem with these situations- they are not fixed until someone leaves the team

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by SloMotion I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, , but it does kind of prove my point. This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him. Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet. Monumental difference in the usages below. White boy drunk talking smack with a good friend ~ "N**** please!" Incognito ~ "you half n----- piece of s---"

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