Incognito or Martin - Would you want them??

papz · 11-07-2013, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat2301

We are doing exactly what everyone else did to us with the Bountygate crap to Incognito. We are judging the guy off what the media is giving us. We dont know the whole truth. We were quick to defend the Saints when the media was not giving out everything now we are bashing Incognito without the whole story. Come on now!! We expected more out of the people bashing us and now we are doing the same. Lets get the facts out.

You probably think Aaron Hernandez is still innocent don't you?

WhoDat2301 · 11-07-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You probably think Aaron Hernandez is still innocent don't you?

No. They have shown all the evidence that points to him as being guilty. SMH he tried to destroy evidence and the cops knew what he was doing. they found the gun used in the murder that was registerd to Hernandez. With Incognito we only heard part of the voicemail not the whole thing so ya. You are doing EXACTLY what everyone did to us with the Bountygate. Only hearing the parts you want and jumping to conclusions.

papz · 11-07-2013, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat2301

No. They have shown all the evidence that points to him as being guilty. SMH he tried to destroy evidence and the cops knew what he was doing. they found the gun used in the murder that was registerd to Hernandez. With Incognito we only heard part of the voicemail not the whole thing so ya. You are doing EXACTLY what everyone did to us with the Bountygate. Only hearing the parts you want and jumping to conclusions.

He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions.

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that officials from both the NFL and the Dolphins have heard the tape and have copies of the message.

Sources familiar with the tapes say these are terms Incognito used over time and were not isolated incidents, including the use of the racial epithet multiple times.

Sources also say Martin received a series of texts that included derogatory terms referring to the female anatomy and sexual orientation.

Even his play on and off the field show how much of a stand up guy he is. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding.

WhoDat2301 · 11-07-2013, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by papz

He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions.

Even his play on and off the field show how much of a stand up guy he is. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding.

never said i condone what he said. I am saying you are jumping to a conclusion based off one little thing(a partial voice mail converted to text) just like everyone did to us with the bountgate crap. You have not heard the voice mail nor have I only a few people have. Tanahill and other players on the team have said that Martin and Incognito were like BFF's. Also that is only part of the voice mail you are quoting according to another source (cant remember if it was espn or even on here) said at the end of the voice mail Incognito said he was messing around and to call him back. So back to my original point of you are jumping all over this guy for a fraction of what maybe on a voice mail that the press is putting out. Way to be just like the folks that bashed us and you complained about!!!

SaintnDE · 11-07-2013, 10:46 AM

I think we are just getting snippettes of what really went down. Remember how fast people were to judge us on the whole Bounty bullcrap. I'll reserve judgement on this one until I hear some more facts.

I know I hated it when we were publicly hung so fast; lets give some courtesy.

Shoe. · 11-07-2013, 12:31 PM

HAIL NO.

I've seen enough of Richie's shenanigans over the years to know he is a dirty player who I do not want anywhere around our locker room (unless he is cleaning it).

And to the poster who said he should go to Atlanta, smh man no WAY, then we have to play him twice a year and put up with his antics that much more

papz · 11-07-2013, 02:04 PM

What conclusion am I jumping into? That he made a racial comment? That was he said was wrong regardless of what else may or may not be on that voicemail?

Is this really debateable?

skymike · 11-07-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by papz

What conclusion am I jumping into? That he made a racial comment? That was he said was wrong regardless of what else may or may not be on that voicemail?

Is this really debateable?

oooo... he said a bad word.... lets lynch him.

Who alive hasnt said something they regret, or that is wrong?
Who hasnt said something about a group of somebody?
Murderers can be parolled, but the worst sin you can ever do is "racism."
And yet every person alive, black people included, have at sometime expressed a distrust of people who are different from them. Magic Johnson got Tha Aids
and he's still alive. Racism, if there really is such thing, is curable. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Sugar Hill Gang: Apache (Jump On It) - YouTube

papz · 11-07-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

oooo... he said a bad word.... lets lynch him.

Who alive hasnt said something they regret, or that is wrong?
Who hasnt said something about a group of somebody?
Murderers can be parolled, but the worst sin you can ever do is "racism."
And yet every person alive, black people included, have at sometime expressed a distrust of people who are different from them. Magic Johnson got Tha Aids
and he's still alive. Racism, if there really is such thing, is curable. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Sugar Hill Gang: Apache (Jump On It) - YouTube

Whoa... slow down there skymike.

I missed where I said anything about crucifying him... much less lynching him. This is what you call jumping to conclusions. He made a racial comment, I did not say he was a racist. There's a BIG difference.

I've said my fair share of ignorant comments throughout the years... but I'm no racist by any means.

What's with people reading things that aren't there?

hagan714 · 11-07-2013, 05:46 PM

see this is the freaking stupid grey area that pC gets all wrong being so black and white about this.

players black and white on the dolphins back Incognito on this. a few players have even said he is the blackest white dude they know. so he falls in the area where the N word is ok say. just like black players saying it to each other and it is not an issue.

they also said the word is used often in humor among the whole team. so there an issue here? you have to look at the grey in this. this not so cut and dry.

Does Political Correctness belong in the locker room?

then you have the " back out of a line mans trip to vegas" and all that crap to. thats why team mates were not sitting with him or so people are saying.

there is more to this so i sit and wait for what happens in the end.

once again it is not so cut dry.

if it is :

I want any player black or white that uses the N word to get the same punishment.

either it is the word itself or it is the color of the person using it.

equality stance or a racist stance.

11-07-2013, 12:03 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by WhoDat2301 We are doing exactly what everyone else did to us with the Bountygate crap to Incognito. We are judging the guy off what the media is giving us. We dont know the whole truth. We were quick to defend the Saints when the media was not giving out everything now we are bashing Incognito without the whole story. Come on now!! We expected more out of the people bashing us and now we are doing the same. Lets get the facts out. You probably think Aaron Hernandez is still innocent don't you?

11-07-2013, 12:17 PM	#2
WhoDat2301 WDN Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Travis AFB, CA Posts: 106	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by papz You probably think Aaron Hernandez is still innocent don't you? No. They have shown all the evidence that points to him as being guilty. SMH he tried to destroy evidence and the cops knew what he was doing. they found the gun used in the murder that was registerd to Hernandez. With Incognito we only heard part of the voicemail not the whole thing so ya. You are doing EXACTLY what everyone did to us with the Bountygate. Only hearing the parts you want and jumping to conclusions.

11-07-2013, 01:22 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by WhoDat2301 No. They have shown all the evidence that points to him as being guilty. SMH he tried to destroy evidence and the cops knew what he was doing. they found the gun used in the murder that was registerd to Hernandez. With Incognito we only heard part of the voicemail not the whole thing so ya. You are doing EXACTLY what everyone did to us with the Bountygate. Only hearing the parts you want and jumping to conclusions. He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions. "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you." Sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that officials from both the NFL and the Dolphins have heard the tape and have copies of the message. Sources familiar with the tapes say these are terms Incognito used over time and were not isolated incidents, including the use of the racial epithet multiple times. Sources also say Martin received a series of texts that included derogatory terms referring to the female anatomy and sexual orientation. Even his play on and off the field show how much of a stand up guy he is. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding.

11-07-2013, 01:47 PM	#4
WhoDat2301 WDN Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Travis AFB, CA Posts: 106	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by papz He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions. Even his play on and off the field show how much of a stand up guy he is. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding. never said i condone what he said. I am saying you are jumping to a conclusion based off one little thing(a partial voice mail converted to text) just like everyone did to us with the bountgate crap. You have not heard the voice mail nor have I only a few people have. Tanahill and other players on the team have said that Martin and Incognito were like BFF's. Also that is only part of the voice mail you are quoting according to another source (cant remember if it was espn or even on here) said at the end of the voice mail Incognito said he was messing around and to call him back. So back to my original point of you are jumping all over this guy for a fraction of what maybe on a voice mail that the press is putting out. Way to be just like the folks that bashed us and you complained about!!!

11-07-2013, 10:46 AM	#5
SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? I think we are just getting snippettes of what really went down. Remember how fast people were to judge us on the whole Bounty bullcrap. I'll reserve judgement on this one until I hear some more facts. I know I hated it when we were publicly hung so fast; lets give some courtesy. skymike and WhoDat2301 like this.
SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443

11-07-2013, 12:31 PM	#6
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? HAIL NO. I've seen enough of Richie's shenanigans over the years to know he is a dirty player who I do not want anywhere around our locker room (unless he is cleaning it). And to the poster who said he should go to Atlanta, smh man no WAY, then we have to play him twice a year and put up with his antics that much more

11-07-2013, 02:04 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? What conclusion am I jumping into? That he made a racial comment? That was he said was wrong regardless of what else may or may not be on that voicemail? Is this really debateable? TheOak likes this.

11-07-2013, 06:30 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike oooo... he said a bad word.... lets lynch him. Who alive hasnt said something they regret, or that is wrong? Who hasnt said something about a group of somebody? Murderers can be parolled, but the worst sin you can ever do is "racism." And yet every person alive, black people included, have at sometime expressed a distrust of people who are different from them. Magic Johnson got Tha Aids and he's still alive. Racism, if there really is such thing, is curable. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Sugar Hill Gang: Apache (Jump On It) - YouTube Whoa... slow down there skymike. I missed where I said anything about crucifying him... much less lynching him. This is what you call jumping to conclusions. He made a racial comment, I did not say he was a racist. There's a BIG difference. I've said my fair share of ignorant comments throughout the years... but I'm no racist by any means. What's with people reading things that aren't there?

11-07-2013, 05:46 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? see this is the freaking stupid grey area that pC gets all wrong being so black and white about this. players black and white on the dolphins back Incognito on this. a few players have even said he is the blackest white dude they know. so he falls in the area where the N word is ok say. just like black players saying it to each other and it is not an issue. they also said the word is used often in humor among the whole team. so there an issue here? you have to look at the grey in this. this not so cut and dry. Does Political Correctness belong in the locker room? then you have the " back out of a line mans trip to vegas" and all that crap to. thats why team mates were not sitting with him or so people are saying. there is more to this so i sit and wait for what happens in the end. once again it is not so cut dry. if it is : I want any player black or white that uses the N word to get the same punishment. either it is the word itself or it is the color of the person using it. equality stance or a racist stance.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 11-07-2013 at 05:56 PM..

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: https://blackandgold.com/saints/61676-incognito-martin-would-you-want-them.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date	Hits
Incognito or Martin - Would you want them??	This thread	Refback	11-09-2013 08:30 AM	7
Incognito - Would you want him??	This thread	Refback	11-05-2013 12:04 PM	14
The Latest New Orleans Saints News \| SportSpyder	This thread	Refback	11-05-2013 10:37 AM	5