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Old 11-05-2013, 08:58 PM   #1
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Do we even have salary cap room?!?

Assume he'd replace Grubbs (who's proving to be a disappointing signing for the price) but to what improvement, ends?!?

How does he react to Brees-led pressure drive to win a big game, remembering he's played for Rams and Dolphins, not winners?!?

Can he be TRUSTED with the Shield, Fleur-de-lis?!?

What is the scope of his leaked medically-managed mental health issues?!?

Our society has got to come to grips with the words like n****, redskin, and the like...

And the solution is not to get a big eraser out and try to remove history, you learn from it and teach younger generations the same...

And it can't be tolerated for some of society to use a word and not others - that's horse$#hit...

Problem with hazing is that now there is little to nil personal judgement and restraint...

Hazing stunts have now entered a zone of "how do we out-do last year's stunts?" and that leads to a critical mass scenario resulting in long-term effect from abuse and even, death...

Team chemistry is important and a little nasty, toughness is so needed on the offensive line - but do you put a possible powder-keg mad man in the portcullis that protects your 20 million dollar investment at quarterback?!?
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Do we even have salary cap room?!?

No.. LOL and he hasn't even been cut so we have 6 pages on an unavailable player.

He will be suspended by the League at the very minimum... Remember Riley Cooper?
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No.. LOL and he hasn't even been cut so we have 6 pages on an unavailable player.

He will be suspended by the League at the very minimum... Remember Riley Cooper?
This appears to be WAY beyond Riley Cooper drunk mouthing off, engaging a smart@$$; if the allegations are true, this is intimidation, albeit weird, off-the-charts intimidation and abuse...

And yes, I thought it, didn't post it, but he still has to be available - but, it's a good discussion thread for a serious, complicated topic of players who with a personality disorder that could affect a team...
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
This appears to be WAY beyond Riley Cooper drunk mouthing off, engaging a smart@$$; if the allegations are true, this is intimidation, albeit weird, off-the-charts intimidation and abuse...

And yes, I thought it, didn't post it, but he still has to be available - but, it's a good discussion thread for a serious, complicated topic of players who with a personality disorder that could affect a team...
I agree with that which is why I said a minimum...

This will turn I to Miamigate before the leagues investigation is over... Mark my words.

Extortion of $15,000 - Prosecutable offense.
Phone Harassment - Prosecutable offense.
The racism will bring in the NAACP and could turn the above into hate crimes.

Look for the NFLPA to push an investigation of the Dolphins.
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I agree with that which is why I said a minimum...

This will turn I to Miamigate before the leagues investigation is over... Mark my words.

Extortion of $15,000 - Prosecutable offense.
Phone Harassment - Prosecutable offense.
The racism will bring in the NAACP and could turn the above into hate crimes.

Look for the NFLPA to push an investigation of the Dolphins.
I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.
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I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.
Agreed but it is confusing whether he meant it or was just friendly ribbing Martin. Heck, I have friends that would say something like that to me and I wouldn't take it seriously. Strange story indeed.

“I think if you had asked Jon Martin a week before who his best friend on the team was, he would have said Richie Incognito,” Tannehill said. “The first guy to stand up for Jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle, Richie was the first guy there. When we would hang on off the field, outside football, who was together? Richie and Jon. I’m not in those guys’ shoes, I can’t explain what’s going on.”


READ MORE: Ryan Tannehill says Incognito and Martin were best friends | ProFootballTalk

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nope. if you say it in your own expressions, then its not really a bad
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I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.
That is called assault and is a misdemeanor in most states. $1000 fine, 6 hours in jail...... Less of a crime than a bar fight.

It's the use of a telecommunication device to do it that elevates it. Same way fraud is a misdemeanor but "mail fraud" is a federal felony.

Crimes in excess of a certain dollar amount also elevate to a felony, like extortion of $15,000.


One other thing. That $15,000 if paid has salary
cap implications and the league will have something to say about that.

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