Hypothetical question about our kicking game

skymike · 11-11-2013, 06:11 PM

I think we need to change this thread title to "Assuming Hartley is
.... "

...and then we could do a whole string of Assuming threads.
cool idea, huh?

ScottF · 11-11-2013, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I don't know anything about Hartley that anyone can love. He got lucky during the SB run and thats it. Has been a complete disappointment besides that. Just because a player was on our SB team doesnt mean he is good and we should keep him.

he's talking to you, Tracy Porter

ScottF · 11-11-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I know, oxymoron...

How about a talented kicker? Or an dependable kicker?

It seems that there are no positive adjectives you can match with kicker that don't sound like an oxymoron.

Gimme some help here.

remember Vanderjagt's comments, 15 years ago, about being 'an athlete who kicks', not a kicker?
I think he lasted a season after that and Peyton personally cut him

Barry from MS · 11-11-2013, 08:44 PM

What the crap do we do with a kicker rocking a 72.7% (which is 29th in the NFL, AND with only 1 attempt greater than 50 yards...which he made...outdoors)? Simple, simple, simple.

Any time we are 4th and whatever from the opponents' 13 yard line to the 33 yard line (home or away), we go for the first down an extra 27.3% to compensate for the missed FGs under 50 yards. Problem solved with sound logic.

TheOak · 11-12-2013, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Hey, we found a stud punter. Why not a kicker? It could happen.

When Hartley is on he's really good, problem is when he's not on he's absolutely awful.

I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead.

Field position in the NFL is king.

Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Danno · 11-12-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead.

Field position in the NFL is king.

Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Could you start spelling his name right then?

Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play.

The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless.

I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday.

Rugby Saint II · 11-12-2013, 03:04 PM

This head case has got to go.

ScottF · 11-12-2013, 03:22 PM

A lot of people complained about drafting Morstead, and trading up in the process, but he has not only been a constant, but an asset.
Drafting a solid kicker is not necessarily a waste, especially considering Chip Vaughan, Al Woods, P. Arnoux, Johnny Patrick, M.Wilson, Greg Romeus and other lower picks that never or rarely contributed

Srgt. Hulka · 11-12-2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Plus, I don't get a knot in my stomach every time Morstead steps on the field.

TheOak · 11-13-2013, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Could you start spelling his name right then?

Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play.

The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless.

I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday.

I am protesting and my speling will remain as konsistant as our kicker.

11-11-2013, 06:11 PM	#21
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game I think we need to change this thread title to "Assuming Hartley is .... " ...and then we could do a whole string of Assuming threads. cool idea, huh? Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-11-2013, 08:23 PM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by The Dude I don't know anything about Hartley that anyone can love. He got lucky during the SB run and thats it. Has been a complete disappointment besides that. Just because a player was on our SB team doesnt mean he is good and we should keep him. he's talking to you, Tracy Porter

11-11-2013, 08:29 PM	#23
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by Danno I know, oxymoron... How about a talented kicker? Or an dependable kicker? It seems that there are no positive adjectives you can match with kicker that don't sound like an oxymoron. Gimme some help here. remember Vanderjagt's comments, 15 years ago, about being 'an athlete who kicks', not a kicker? I think he lasted a season after that and Peyton personally cut him

11-11-2013, 08:44 PM	#24
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game What the crap do we do with a kicker rocking a 72.7% (which is 29th in the NFL, AND with only 1 attempt greater than 50 yards...which he made...outdoors)? Simple, simple, simple. Any time we are 4th and whatever from the opponents' 13 yard line to the 33 yard line (home or away), we go for the first down an extra 27.3% to compensate for the missed FGs under 50 yards. Problem solved with sound logic. skymike likes this.

11-12-2013, 08:33 AM	#25
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by Boutte Hey, we found a stud punter. Why not a kicker? It could happen. When Hartley is on he's really good, problem is when he's not on he's absolutely awful. I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead. Field position in the NFL is king. Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

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11-12-2013, 09:01 AM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by TheOak I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead. Field position in the NFL is king. Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career. Could you start spelling his name right then? Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play. The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless. I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday. TheOak likes this.

11-12-2013, 03:04 PM	#27
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game This head case has got to go.

11-12-2013, 03:22 PM	#28
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game A lot of people complained about drafting Morstead, and trading up in the process, but he has not only been a constant, but an asset. Drafting a solid kicker is not necessarily a waste, especially considering Chip Vaughan, Al Woods, P. Arnoux, Johnny Patrick, M.Wilson, Greg Romeus and other lower picks that never or rarely contributed Barry from MS, exile and gulfgambler like this.

11-12-2013, 10:38 PM	#29
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by TheOak Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career. Plus, I don't get a knot in my stomach every time Morstead steps on the field.

11-13-2013, 05:56 AM	#30
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game Originally Posted by Danno Could you start spelling his name right then? Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play. The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless. I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday. I am protesting and my speling will remain as konsistant as our kicker. Danno and exile like this.

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