How in the world can..............

saintfan · 10-21-2004, 04:17 PM

I like Jake too...always have, but I don\'t blame Haz for his not playing like lots of others. MANY NFL \"experts\" passed on Jake, so I don\'t see Haz missing that boat as an indictment as some others have suggested. That rabbit hole goes pretty deep.

The thing is that \'round here you can\'t support Brooks without being assumed as biased against Jake. It works the other way too. You either buy into the \"Haz conspired against Jake\" theory or your bashed as a \"lover\" of Brooks. Silly? Yes, but true nonetheless.

saintswhodi · 10-21-2004, 04:35 PM

I see what you are getting at. Just to let you know though, I don\'t feel like you have to dislike one to like the other. I also could careless if Haslett could evaluate Jake or not cause he has shown more often than not he is wrong about players. (Tebucky, Sully, Hand, Glover, Knight, Dale Carter, Bulger, Turley, Connell, etc. etc.). Jake was put into the right system and the right situation, no telling if this would have been the right system for him. That\'s all hindsight. Like I said before, give AB a top 10 defense and we will see how he does then compared to Jake. Having to score 30 a game is no way for a qb to flourish. We all agree he is not Peyton Manning or Daunte Culpepper.

BrooksMustGo · 10-21-2004, 04:55 PM

http://saintsreport.com/modules.php?...ticle&artid=21

At times, as good as he can look, he just doesn\'t think clearly. He also doesn\'t seem to sense when a pass rush from his blind side is getting close. Has done a better job protecting the ball this season, but his fumble near the goalline in Arizona was his fault for not adjusting to the center\'s assignment. He has got to stay better focused because I think he has a tendency to daydream a bit.

Aaron is not a \"take-charge\" type guy and probably never will be. What I am getting from Saint players and some coaches is that he is not the most well-liked player on this team and that is not a good sign. A quarterback has to be well respected for him to be at his very best.

Brooks needs to really lay the hammer down on his teammates when mistakes happen. The good quarterbacks expect and demand total effort from their teammates. At times Brooks reminds me of a substitute teacher, who lets the class get away with a lot more nonsense than the regular teacher would. He Has the talent to be a top-10 quarterback, but his lack of leadership skills and his inconsistent nature puts him right square in the middle of the pack as for as quarterbacks are concerned. Has outstanding skills, but I question his football \"savvy\".

That\'s how Brooks can be the problem. Tremendous physical talent, no mental or interpersonal skills to go with it.

saintfan · 10-21-2004, 04:57 PM

See What I mean. LOL

Note the name of the poster too.

BrooksMustGo · 10-21-2004, 05:01 PM

[Edited on 22/10/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

JKool · 10-21-2004, 05:19 PM

Who,

My bad. \"Everyone\" was a serious overstatement. I should have said some people.

<Smile>

BIGEASY504 · 10-21-2004, 05:27 PM

Coaches who donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t properly game plan and make adjustments during the game and not make them after we are 14+ points down will make any quarterback look bad. Get a coaching staff the knows how to work on players strengths than you will see better players and plays. Brooks IMO is only about 5% of the problems. Horn and Stallworth have been dropping quite a few passes this year. Brooks has been pretty solid a few mistake but solid none the least. The O-line at times is non-existence which forces Brooks in erratic plays, forms and decisions. Brooks will not be traded and thatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s that people. Yes he made the comments but out of frustration. Until we get a better coaching staff the Saints will be up/down all year.

Dat #44 is a beast, which makes Deuce look like a monster running, with his ankle injury he is going to break some gainers pretty soon.

Now Henderson may get some playing time - good but lets see if he runs routes that will maximize his speed (coaching people) because Stallworth could be used just a little more affective or have better routes to run than what they are doing and yes I am aware of his drops etc. Also an aggressive game plan is needed from this point in the season on out

I am not mentioning defense!!!!!! Well Venturi is the problem, if we would have kept pressure on Culpepper we may could have won that game because BROOKS was bringing us back. Tebuckly is not a total bust. Our secondary is really confused by the run, linebacker are you in the house!!!!! Both safeties are our leading tacklers that says something. Brown and McKenzie is starting we should see more PSI on Collins this week ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦..

And the saga continues ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦.stay tuned

JKool · 10-21-2004, 05:35 PM

Do I hear bongo music?

WhoDat · 10-21-2004, 10:49 PM

Who,

My bad. \"Everyone\" was a serious overstatement. I should have said some people.

[Edited on 22/10/2004 by saintfan]

saintfan · 10-22-2004, 03:56 PM

He was edited for breaking his own rule. That\'s all you need to know.

10-21-2004, 04:17 PM	#21
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	How in the world can.............. I like Jake too...always have, but I don\'t blame Haz for his not playing like lots of others. MANY NFL \"experts\" passed on Jake, so I don\'t see Haz missing that boat as an indictment as some others have suggested. That rabbit hole goes pretty deep. The thing is that \'round here you can\'t support Brooks without being assumed as biased against Jake. It works the other way too. You either buy into the \"Haz conspired against Jake\" theory or your bashed as a \"lover\" of Brooks. Silly? Yes, but true nonetheless.

10-21-2004, 04:35 PM	#22
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	How in the world can.............. I see what you are getting at. Just to let you know though, I don\'t feel like you have to dislike one to like the other. I also could careless if Haslett could evaluate Jake or not cause he has shown more often than not he is wrong about players. (Tebucky, Sully, Hand, Glover, Knight, Dale Carter, Bulger, Turley, Connell, etc. etc.). Jake was put into the right system and the right situation, no telling if this would have been the right system for him. That\'s all hindsight. Like I said before, give AB a top 10 defense and we will see how he does then compared to Jake. Having to score 30 a game is no way for a qb to flourish. We all agree he is not Peyton Manning or Daunte Culpepper.

10-21-2004, 04:55 PM	#23
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	How in the world can.............. http://saintsreport.com/modules.php?...ticle&artid=21 At times, as good as he can look, he just doesn\'t think clearly. He also doesn\'t seem to sense when a pass rush from his blind side is getting close. Has done a better job protecting the ball this season, but his fumble near the goalline in Arizona was his fault for not adjusting to the center\'s assignment. He has got to stay better focused because I think he has a tendency to daydream a bit. Aaron is not a \"take-charge\" type guy and probably never will be. What I am getting from Saint players and some coaches is that he is not the most well-liked player on this team and that is not a good sign. A quarterback has to be well respected for him to be at his very best. Brooks needs to really lay the hammer down on his teammates when mistakes happen. The good quarterbacks expect and demand total effort from their teammates. At times Brooks reminds me of a substitute teacher, who lets the class get away with a lot more nonsense than the regular teacher would. He Has the talent to be a top-10 quarterback, but his lack of leadership skills and his inconsistent nature puts him right square in the middle of the pack as for as quarterbacks are concerned. Has outstanding skills, but I question his football \"savvy\". That\'s how Brooks can be the problem. Tremendous physical talent, no mental or interpersonal skills to go with it.

10-21-2004, 04:57 PM	#24
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	How in the world can.............. See What I mean. LOL Note the name of the poster too.

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BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	How in the world can.............. Coaches who donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t properly game plan and make adjustments during the game and not make them after we are 14+ points down will make any quarterback look bad. Get a coaching staff the knows how to work on players strengths than you will see better players and plays. Brooks IMO is only about 5% of the problems. Horn and Stallworth have been dropping quite a few passes this year. Brooks has been pretty solid a few mistake but solid none the least. The O-line at times is non-existence which forces Brooks in erratic plays, forms and decisions. Brooks will not be traded and thatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s that people. Yes he made the comments but out of frustration. Until we get a better coaching staff the Saints will be up/down all year. Dat #44 is a beast, which makes Deuce look like a monster running, with his ankle injury he is going to break some gainers pretty soon. Now Henderson may get some playing time - good but lets see if he runs routes that will maximize his speed (coaching people) because Stallworth could be used just a little more affective or have better routes to run than what they are doing and yes I am aware of his drops etc. Also an aggressive game plan is needed from this point in the season on out I am not mentioning defense!!!!!! Well Venturi is the problem, if we would have kept pressure on Culpepper we may could have won that game because BROOKS was bringing us back. Tebuckly is not a total bust. Our secondary is really confused by the run, linebacker are you in the house!!!!! Both safeties are our leading tacklers that says something. Brown and McKenzie is starting we should see more PSI on Collins this week ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦.. And the saga continues ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦.stay tuned
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