No Excuses

dueceloose · 12-03-2013, 12:56 AM

Hopefully Rob can get his sheet together.. I blame the d much more than the offense.

FeelTheBrees · 12-03-2013, 01:42 AM

I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

WHODATINCA · 12-03-2013, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees

I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket?

SloMotion · 12-03-2013, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees

I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

You make some solid points, IMO ... hopefully this can be one of those learning/if-it-doesn't-kill-you-it-only-makes-you-stronger type experiences and now that the Saints know what they're in for, can better prepare.

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

... Maybe, take up cricket?

I've seen a cricket match ... those guys battle for days sometimes,

.

neugey · 12-03-2013, 07:42 AM

The Seahawks coaches called a great game and the players played out of their minds. A lot of the bounces and calls went their way too. You have to give them credit because they played lights out and I doubt any of the other 30 teams in the NFL would have been able to hang with them either tonight.

As for the Saints, we need to dig deeper and find what it takes to win a game in an environment and situation like that. Obviously we may need to in the playoffs.

The one bright side is that if we have to return to Seattle in the playoffs, no one outside our fan base will give us a chance and everyone will presume they will dominate us again. We will have the element of shock and surprise then I hope.

Mardigras9 · 12-03-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I really do think we could lose out. I have serious doubts this team even gets a wild card spot.

Wow?

I do think we are going to have a hard time with a mobile QB like Cam. That was obvious with Wilson, and Cam is way harder to bring down. Hope the D learned a containment lesson last night. Carolina should only lose to us on their remaining schedule and we have to play the Rams (never know what Rams team will show that day at their house). We have to earn the #2 seed, no doubt.

FeelTheBrees · 12-03-2013, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket?

You misunderstood. We have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game in Seattle. If we get the #2 seed, we will dominate someone in round 2 in the Dome. It's going to Seattle for the NFC championship that's going to be a problem. I think someone already said our best plan is to pray someone who matches up better knocks them out in round 2.

FeelTheBrees · 12-03-2013, 10:55 AM

The worst (or maybe best? I'm so confused) part of it is that Sean and Drew both said neither the noise nor the weather affected the game much. The team was ready for all of that and did a great job communicating. I know the defense doesn't have to deal with the noise, but it sure seemed like the Saints D were the one having trouble communicating. They often looked like they weren't ready right before the snap. I noticed several times some of the DBs would make a signal that looked like "switch me", and a few times the guy they were signaling never saw it. I'm not sure what that was all about but the play usually ended poorly when I saw that happening.

Good news is that we can supposedly play there without the noise affecting us. Bad news is that we got dominated anyway. I don't have many answers or suggestions but here's a few:

1. Commit to the run...even when you are down because you can't pass it on that secondary.
2. While it is important to stop Lynch, you still can't give up big passes
3. Win the turnover ratio
4. Don't bite on the RB on the read option
5. Protect on the o-line

Obviously this is easier said than done...

TheOak · 12-03-2013, 11:01 AM

Lets just call it what it was.

Seattle played against us like we played against Dallas.... and that doesn't happen very often. If we see them in Clink it will be a different game.

Supertek · 12-03-2013, 12:16 PM

Our guys were so confused and their recievers were wide open. Something has to be done to straighten that out. Payton failed miserably and didn't dtick to what worked trying to push the ball downfield too early, trying to run with Ingram when it wasn't working and our recievers dropping balls didn't seem they were even trying to run their routes with any vigor. If they would have followed the pattern of dinking and dunking down the field until something began to open up we may have had a chance. What that one drive almost 9 minutes that is how you beat those guys. Sad thing is how far away we were from being competitive. Hope I never see a performance like this one for a long time. Have to give cudos to Seattle. Our team folded and showed no resilance.

12-03-2013, 12:56 AM	#21
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: No Excuses Hopefully Rob can get his sheet together.. I blame the d much more than the offense.
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12-03-2013, 01:42 AM	#22
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Re: No Excuses I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance. It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed. Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge. Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF). And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.
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12-03-2013, 04:32 AM	#23
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: No Excuses Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance. It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed. Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge. Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF). And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game. Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket?

12-03-2013, 07:29 AM	#24
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: No Excuses Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance. It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed. Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge. Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF). And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game. You make some solid points, IMO ... hopefully this can be one of those learning/if-it-doesn't-kill-you-it-only-makes-you-stronger type experiences and now that the Saints know what they're in for, can better prepare. Originally Posted by WHODATINCA ... Maybe, take up cricket? I've seen a cricket match ... those guys battle for days sometimes, .

12-03-2013, 07:42 AM	#25
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: No Excuses The Seahawks coaches called a great game and the players played out of their minds. A lot of the bounces and calls went their way too. You have to give them credit because they played lights out and I doubt any of the other 30 teams in the NFL would have been able to hang with them either tonight. As for the Saints, we need to dig deeper and find what it takes to win a game in an environment and situation like that. Obviously we may need to in the playoffs. The one bright side is that if we have to return to Seattle in the playoffs, no one outside our fan base will give us a chance and everyone will presume they will dominate us again. We will have the element of shock and surprise then I hope.

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12-03-2013, 10:29 AM	#26
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: No Excuses Originally Posted by The Dude I really do think we could lose out. I have serious doubts this team even gets a wild card spot. Wow? I do think we are going to have a hard time with a mobile QB like Cam. That was obvious with Wilson, and Cam is way harder to bring down. Hope the D learned a containment lesson last night. Carolina should only lose to us on their remaining schedule and we have to play the Rams (never know what Rams team will show that day at their house). We have to earn the #2 seed, no doubt.

12-03-2013, 10:43 AM	#27
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Re: No Excuses Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket? You misunderstood. We have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game in Seattle. If we get the #2 seed, we will dominate someone in round 2 in the Dome. It's going to Seattle for the NFC championship that's going to be a problem. I think someone already said our best plan is to pray someone who matches up better knocks them out in round 2. SaintsBro likes this.
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12-03-2013, 10:55 AM	#28
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Re: No Excuses The worst (or maybe best? I'm so confused) part of it is that Sean and Drew both said neither the noise nor the weather affected the game much. The team was ready for all of that and did a great job communicating. I know the defense doesn't have to deal with the noise, but it sure seemed like the Saints D were the one having trouble communicating. They often looked like they weren't ready right before the snap. I noticed several times some of the DBs would make a signal that looked like "switch me", and a few times the guy they were signaling never saw it. I'm not sure what that was all about but the play usually ended poorly when I saw that happening. Good news is that we can supposedly play there without the noise affecting us. Bad news is that we got dominated anyway. I don't have many answers or suggestions but here's a few: 1. Commit to the run...even when you are down because you can't pass it on that secondary. 2. While it is important to stop Lynch, you still can't give up big passes 3. Win the turnover ratio 4. Don't bite on the RB on the read option 5. Protect on the o-line Obviously this is easier said than done...
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12-03-2013, 11:01 AM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: No Excuses Lets just call it what it was. Seattle played against us like we played against Dallas.... and that doesn't happen very often. If we see them in Clink it will be a different game.

12-03-2013, 12:16 PM	#30
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: No Excuses Our guys were so confused and their recievers were wide open. Something has to be done to straighten that out. Payton failed miserably and didn't dtick to what worked trying to push the ball downfield too early, trying to run with Ingram when it wasn't working and our recievers dropping balls didn't seem they were even trying to run their routes with any vigor. If they would have followed the pattern of dinking and dunking down the field until something began to open up we may have had a chance. What that one drive almost 9 minutes that is how you beat those guys. Sad thing is how far away we were from being competitive. Hope I never see a performance like this one for a long time. Have to give cudos to Seattle. Our team folded and showed no resilance.

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