Saint_LB

Always have been, always will be, it seems. In order to salvage some respect for this organization, there is only one thing that might work. The first step is to quit going to the dome. Once Benson gets the message that the party is over, he will do something, probably sell. When they get new ownership, they might have a chance to win...depends on who the owner is. Right now, with our current owner, he is satisfied with things the way they are....as long as the dome keeps selling out. If he is satisfied, Haz stays. If Haz stays, Brooks plays. If Brooks plays, we lose. I mean, just take a look at what they have already accomplished this year. A loss to Arizona, who had not won previously, followed by a loss to TB, who had not won previously. How can some of you guys keep supporting this kind of bull. GET A CLUE!!!

Saint_LB

I am going to reply to my own thread, because I left something out. I know that most of you will probably say, \"If Benson sells, the team may move!!\" I realize that, and, personally, it doesn\'t matter. I would rather see them go somewhere else, and have a chance at winning, finally, then to see them stay in N.O. trapped in a losing situation. I have followed the Saints since the beginning, and I guess I have had about as much of this bull as I can take.

RealSaintFan

For you to serously say that the reason the saints arn\'t winning is because of the play of the quarterback Arron Brooks shows just how little you know about the game. I hope that true saints fans don\'t buy to much into your we can\'t win with a black quarterback bs. You should watch the games, cause from your comment you obviously don\'t. Arron Brooks has 8 td\'s and 3 ints and a completion % of about 60. If you cant see that the core of our problem is our defense then your wrong. We have an offense that hasen\'t been great but has played well enough for us to win, if we had even an average defense. All you brooks haters need to watch the game, I mean really watch the game and if all you can focus on is Arron Brooks then mabey you should watch some other teams play and get a perspective of how good of a quarterback we have. Good example watch Carolina and your beloved Jake Delhome and tell me who\'s the better quarterback. Its time to get real saints fans and realize that while we don\'t have Joe Montana playing for us we got a pretty good quarterback and we need to rally behind him because expecially right now he\'s one of the few bright spots that we have.

ScottyRo

The funny thing about all this pro-brooks/anti-brooks talk is that there are a few individuals who come to this site and regardless of how Brooks performs, they call for his head.

Now, I don\'t exactly see WhoDat, 08, and gator to be the sort that does that. They seem to me to be rooting for him, but are very aware that he might not be the best QB we could have or could have gotten in the past couple of off seasons.

BC seems to be a bit the otherside. He can see when Brooks screws up, but also sees that other players contribute to the problems Brooks has and would like to see those players called out just as often.

Then you have posters like LB who have an absolute hatred for AB regardless of what he does and will never change his mind. That\'s ok too, but it doesn\'t work very well in a forum like this. He has his reasons and whether they\'re football related or not, he\'s entitled to them.

There\'s no point in arguing it with that type, RSF, so I\'d just accept it and move on. People like that will never listen to what you say nor will they debate their position logically.

Saint_LB

You AB supporters are all alike. You can babble off all kinds of stats that apparently seem impressive to you, but, for some reason, you never talk too much about thw W/L column, or, the Superbowl victories we have. Someone comes around and tries to help you see the situation without your rose-colored glasses, and you all the sudden jump to the race card...saying that I don\'t like AB because he is black. If you read any of my posts, I never mention anything about his race, but for some reason, a lot of you always come back with the race card. Perhaps you should take a long look in the mirror, and see which person is using race to support his attitude towards Brooks. It must really burn you up that you can\'t come back and point out all of the high points the team has accomplished with him at the helm, instead of trying to dig up stats that ultimately don\'t really matter in the long run. Because, if they did matter, we would have a lot more wins to talk about now, but that isn\'t the case, is it?
I will admit, and have posted, that it is not AB\'s fault that they keep trotting him out there....it is not his fault if he doesn\'t have the savvy or finesse that it takes to play QB in the NFL. That is the coaches call, and that\'s why Haz is going to lose his job. Sometimes you just have to say that you were wrong, and then you can make an adjustment. Instead, we just keep losing.

Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

dberce1

Saint_LB:

The Saints play on Fox channels on Sunday, pending a Superdome sellout. You should try and watch a game, it\'s pretty exciting stuff!!

TheJudge

i do still think that JD is a better QB... not because of his stats, but becaue of his heart..... he never seems to give up.... yes he is NOT fundementaly sound or throws a pretty pass, but neither does brett farve.... BF even says that people should not watch him if they want to learn mechanics because he does not really have any.... JD and BF aaways seem to be fired up and in the game no matter what the position...everyone seems to be raggin JD right now, but just how good can someone do when they are a one dimentional team with only ONE decent reciever... all that says if that all the Defense has to do is cover one mand and pin thier ears back and rush the qb..... pretty much leaves him on an island.... nobody can win when both thier starting RB\'s go out as well as thier only real recieving threat....

what sticks in my head from last season is the quote that a lineman told the reporterss after JD came in in relief of rodney peete in the first game... he grabbed this 6\'8\" 320lbs linmen by the facemask and told him \"to get his head in the F\'in game\".... to me taht is leadership and a heart with a desire to win....

most of JD\'s highlight reels show him standing in teh pocket witha LB with an open shot at him, but by staying in there were FOUR different times he threw for a TD knowing he is going to get his block knocked off....
AB\'s highlight reels seem to consist of him moving out of the pocket and always running away (and a lot with really good protection)

i think it comes down to heart, and JD\'s ranks up there with the best of them, AB just doesn\'t seem to have it..... LOTS of skill with little heart will get you great numbers but few wins

[Edited on 25/10/2004 by TheJudge]

Boogro

Geez, I am tired of this....Did you NOT watch the game and actually listen to it? The Saints are dead last in defense (statistically). How can any quarterback overcome those odds of winning? To me, Jake Delhomme is a one-hit wonder. You say he has one reciever to work with, well so does Brooks. If they had caught half the dropped passes in the last two years, his stats would look that much better.

Put yourself in AB\'s shoes, try having the media and fans on your butt every week no matter how well or bad you play and go out and try to do your job. We have a terrible running game right now and the only games we win is because of Brooks. Our co-ordinators flat-out suck.

I am defending Brooks on the grounds that most people don\'t want him here for which is W/L. Personally, I don\'t think he wants to be here so I say bye-bye. I want him to be our QB more than anyone, but if any player doesn\'t want to be here, then leave.

In other notes, I liked the play of Brown and McKenzie. I just feel our D got tired at the end, but I was somewhat proud of those two guys.

Saint78

The problem ia not AB the problem is clearly Mike McCarthy. I mean have you ever noticed how predictible our play-calling is? Also we don\'t play to our strenghts on offense ex. when we are in a hurry up offense with 4 wide & 1 back we move down the field quickly & efficiently & Brooks is useully 100% completions & Duece can run the ball better with the defense spread out & their are not many,if any, defences that have enough good db\'s that can cover our skill players-Deuce,Horn,Stallworth,Paython,Lewis,& Henderson,not to mention Boo& Conwell. It seems like McCarthy comes out & tries to run Deuce until we have 3 or 4 three & outs before he gets creative & most of the time it is too late because our defense gets wore down after being on the field so much. I HATE Mike Martz but he could score 50 points a game with the talent we have on offense and that includes AB @ Until I see someone else calling the plays I will defend Aaron Brooks.

TheJudge

yes i watched the game, i was simply responding to a previous post....