A new Kicker

Choupique · 12-09-2013, 11:12 AM

i say we keep the TALENT we have and have a loyalty purge.

exiled · 12-09-2013, 12:28 PM

it was the greatest Saints moment of the 20th century. Thanks to SP and DB for giving us more to boast of in the 21st.

WhoDat!656 · 12-10-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Move over Garret Hartley, we are tired of your inconsistency, So much that I've been looking at all the kickers to come in the 2014 Draft and graded them respectfully.

1. Chandler Catanzaro, Clemson
Height: 6-2
Weight: 200
This guy is my favorite, he is clutch! 12-13 this year and the only one he missed was more than 50 yards. Last year he was 18-19 and had 2 clutch field goals for game winners vs LSU. This guy is extremely over-looked and we could most likely get him with our pick in the 6th round.

2. Cairo Santos, Tulane
Height: 5-8
Weight: 160
If we don't get Catanzaro I think we need Santos. He was 14-20 this year, 4 of those misses came from over 50 yards so you can't really blame him (He was 2-6 on 50+) The kid doesn't have much of a boot but is very solid. I'm sure some teams will pass on him because of his size, but who cares, he's a kicker. I expect him to fall into the 7th round, so we could trade down if we wanted to.

3. Chris Boswell, Rice
Height: 6-2
Weight: 210
This guy is a major wild card, he started off his Senior season missing his first 3. However, the guy jumped out of his slump and shined, he made 13-18, 3 misses from 50+. In 2012 he made 6, that's right 6 FG from 50+ and missed 2. This guy has power, but he gets hot and cold.

4. Everyone else
There are some people who stand out more than others, but in all I think Hartley would be a better option over any of the others. They will most likely all be available in free agency so we could bring in 1 or 2 but I just don't see one taking Hartley's roster spot.

Do you guys think we need a new kicker? If I see Hartley on the streets i'll buy him a beer to thank him for a superbowl win, but I just don't think he is a viable option anymore.

And when the Saints sign a new kicker and HE misses a FG, there will be another thread calling for the Saints to replace him.

Budsdrinker · 12-10-2013, 10:27 AM

[QUOTE=Schmohams;557521]Move over Garret Hartley, we are tired of your inconsistency, So much that I've been looking at all the kickers to come in the 2014 Draft and graded them respectfully.

2. Cairo Santos, Tulane
Height: 5-8
Weight: 160
If we don't get Catanzaro I think we need Santos. He was 14-20 this year, 4 of those misses came from over 50 yards so you can't really blame him (He was 2-6 on 50+) The kid doesn't have much of a boot but is very solid. I'm sure some teams will pass on him because of his size, but who cares, he's a kicker. I expect him to fall into the 7th round, so we could trade down if we wanted to.

Don't know how you can say he doesn't have much of a boot when his career long is 57 yards and hit a 56 yarder this year. He didn't miss a kick in 2012 and missed only 2 this year between 30 and 50. If he is a UDFA I would like to see him brought in to compete against Hartley.

Schmohams · 12-11-2013, 10:21 PM

If you guys think drafting a kicker in the 6th round is stupid then look back to 1979 when the Saints drafted Russel Erxleben 11th overall. A huge draft bust, only lasted 5 years in the league.

pumpkindriver · 12-11-2013, 10:57 PM

Kickers are streaky. If you have a decent one, and we do, no sense in spending the time and effort to find another one. He'll have his ups & downs as well so unless the decent kicker you have dies, theres no sense in running down another one to replace him.

TheOak · 12-12-2013, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

Kickers are streaky. If you have a decent one, and we do, no sense in spending the time and effort to find another one. He'll have his ups & downs as well so unless the decent kicker you have dies, theres no sense in running down another one to replace him.

By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league?
81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is?

Utah_Saint · 12-13-2013, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league?
81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is?

Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league.

In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16,

then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.],

since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5.

He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky.

He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent.

TheOak · 12-14-2013, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league.

In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16,

then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.],

since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5.

He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky.

He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent.

His first season is moot, should not be in his average. He was suspended for the Adderall and has never been as accurate.

But you want to look at the big picture and I get that so you and pumpkindriver (assuming his "like" of your reply denotes agreement") should look at the situational stats.

What you have is a dome team that plays more than 1/2 it's games in a dome, but it's kicker is less accurate indoors on turf. Why do you think he is 17% better on the road.

That's fixing an electrical socket with a spoon.

When you are streaky your accuracy is up and down across the board... Hartley is not streaky, I have and can identify where his accuracy issues consistently are... Year in, year out.

QBREES9 · 12-11-2013, 11:24 PM

Never everr draft a kick. Sign them as a free agent

View Poll Results: What Kicker should the Saints have on the 2014 roster?
Chandler Catanzaro	3	10.34%
Cairo Santos	3	10.34%
Chris Boswell	0	0%
Garrett Hartley	23	79.31%
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12-09-2013, 11:12 AM	#1
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12-09-2013, 12:28 PM	#2
exiled Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on the road - now based in Austin, TX Posts: 485	Re: A new Kicker it was the greatest Saints moment of the 20th century. Thanks to SP and DB for giving us more to boast of in the 21st. Halo likes this.

12-10-2013, 09:05 AM	#3
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by Schmohams Move over Garret Hartley, we are tired of your inconsistency, So much that I've been looking at all the kickers to come in the 2014 Draft and graded them respectfully. 1. Chandler Catanzaro, Clemson Height: 6-2 Weight: 200 This guy is my favorite, he is clutch! 12-13 this year and the only one he missed was more than 50 yards. Last year he was 18-19 and had 2 clutch field goals for game winners vs LSU. This guy is extremely over-looked and we could most likely get him with our pick in the 6th round. 2. Cairo Santos, Tulane Height: 5-8 Weight: 160 If we don't get Catanzaro I think we need Santos. He was 14-20 this year, 4 of those misses came from over 50 yards so you can't really blame him (He was 2-6 on 50+) The kid doesn't have much of a boot but is very solid. I'm sure some teams will pass on him because of his size, but who cares, he's a kicker. I expect him to fall into the 7th round, so we could trade down if we wanted to. 3. Chris Boswell, Rice Height: 6-2 Weight: 210 This guy is a major wild card, he started off his Senior season missing his first 3. However, the guy jumped out of his slump and shined, he made 13-18, 3 misses from 50+. In 2012 he made 6, that's right 6 FG from 50+ and missed 2. This guy has power, but he gets hot and cold. 4. Everyone else There are some people who stand out more than others, but in all I think Hartley would be a better option over any of the others. They will most likely all be available in free agency so we could bring in 1 or 2 but I just don't see one taking Hartley's roster spot. Do you guys think we need a new kicker? If I see Hartley on the streets i'll buy him a beer to thank him for a superbowl win, but I just don't think he is a viable option anymore. And when the Saints sign a new kicker and HE misses a FG, there will be another thread calling for the Saints to replace him.

12-10-2013, 10:27 AM	#4
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: A new Kicker [QUOTE=Schmohams;557521]Move over Garret Hartley, we are tired of your inconsistency, So much that I've been looking at all the kickers to come in the 2014 Draft and graded them respectfully. 2. Cairo Santos, Tulane Height: 5-8 Weight: 160 If we don't get Catanzaro I think we need Santos. He was 14-20 this year, 4 of those misses came from over 50 yards so you can't really blame him (He was 2-6 on 50+) The kid doesn't have much of a boot but is very solid. I'm sure some teams will pass on him because of his size, but who cares, he's a kicker. I expect him to fall into the 7th round, so we could trade down if we wanted to. Don't know how you can say he doesn't have much of a boot when his career long is 57 yards and hit a 56 yarder this year. He didn't miss a kick in 2012 and missed only 2 this year between 30 and 50. If he is a UDFA I would like to see him brought in to compete against Hartley.

12-11-2013, 10:21 PM	#5
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: A new Kicker If you guys think drafting a kicker in the 6th round is stupid then look back to 1979 when the Saints drafted Russel Erxleben 11th overall. A huge draft bust, only lasted 5 years in the league.

12-11-2013, 10:57 PM	#6
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: A new Kicker Kickers are streaky. If you have a decent one, and we do, no sense in spending the time and effort to find another one. He'll have his ups & downs as well so unless the decent kicker you have dies, theres no sense in running down another one to replace him. Crusader likes this.

12-12-2013, 07:16 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by pumpkindriver Kickers are streaky. If you have a decent one, and we do, no sense in spending the time and effort to find another one. He'll have his ups & downs as well so unless the decent kicker you have dies, theres no sense in running down another one to replace him. By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league? 81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is?

12-13-2013, 08:59 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by TheOak By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league? 81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is? Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league. In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16, then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.], since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5. He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky. He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent. pumpkindriver likes this.

12-14-2013, 05:18 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league. In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16, then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.], since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5. He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky. He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent. His first season is moot, should not be in his average. He was suspended for the Adderall and has never been as accurate. But you want to look at the big picture and I get that so you and pumpkindriver (assuming his "like" of your reply denotes agreement") should look at the situational stats. What you have is a dome team that plays more than 1/2 it's games in a dome, but it's kicker is less accurate indoors on turf. Why do you think he is 17% better on the road. That's fixing an electrical socket with a spoon. When you are streaky your accuracy is up and down across the board... Hartley is not streaky, I have and can identify where his accuracy issues consistently are... Year in, year out. onebyone likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-11-2013, 11:24 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: A new Kicker Never everr draft a kick. Sign them as a free agent

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