A new Kicker

mutineer10 · 12-13-2013, 03:10 PM

I'm ready for Hartley to go. Sure, he's nailed a few big kicks, but 2009 seems like a long time ago, and it's not as if we've been impatient with him.

When it comes to kickers, I'd prefer signing a veteran. A handful of steady legs hit the FA market every offseason, so you might as well bring in a couple for a camp battle (or have a rookie / veteran camp battle, for that matter).

monaco · 12-13-2013, 04:22 PM

What kind of poll is this? Next you'll ask who our starting QB should be...

Schmohams · 12-13-2013, 08:43 PM

Hartley misses field goals from the 30-40 yards. In the NFL those should be considered chip ins. We just haven't noticed as of late because he hasn't had to kick as much.

Utah_Saint · 12-13-2013, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league?
81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is?

Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league.

In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16,

then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.],

since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5.

He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky.

He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent.

TheOak · 12-14-2013, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league.

In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16,

then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.],

since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5.

He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky.

He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent.

His first season is moot, should not be in his average. He was suspended for the Adderall and has never been as accurate.

But you want to look at the big picture and I get that so you and pumpkindriver (assuming his "like" of your reply denotes agreement") should look at the situational stats.

What you have is a dome team that plays more than 1/2 it's games in a dome, but it's kicker is less accurate indoors on turf. Why do you think he is 17% better on the road.

That's fixing an electrical socket with a spoon.

When you are streaky your accuracy is up and down across the board... Hartley is not streaky, I have and can identify where his accuracy issues consistently are... Year in, year out.

Cruize · 12-15-2013, 08:12 PM

I really couldn't care less about next year.

Schmohams · 12-15-2013, 08:26 PM

You guys still want Hartley as the damn kicker? He missed it from 27 yards, how much worse can you get?

|Mitch| · 12-15-2013, 08:36 PM

A new kicker is not really on the high priority list for me, O-Line needs a lot of work before we even consider a new kicker

BoudinSandwich · 12-15-2013, 08:37 PM

Because having a kick blocked is the Kicker's fault... lol

The Saints got dominated on the line in all 3 phases.

As far as Hartley goes, he's average. Nothing special. Not close to being the worst. You guys should check out averages for most kickers in the league.

TheOak · 12-16-2013, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by BoudinSandwich

Because having a kick blocked is the Kicker's fault... lol

The Saints got dominated on the line in all 3 phases.

As far as Hartley goes, he's average. Nothing special. Not close to being the worst. You guys should check out averages for most kickers in the league.

You should read the thread.. We have... Its all posted in this thread.

When a defender blocks a kick while it is coming off the kickers foot that is the lines fault. When a kick is blocked going over the line it is the kickers fault.. He kicked it too low.

But you are correct.. he is not last in the league. He is just two away from that dubious honor lol.
2013 NFL Player Kicking Stats - National Football League - ESPN

The catch here is that the two guys below Hartley miss 50+ yarders and Hartley is missing 20-49 yarders.

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12-13-2013, 03:10 PM	#31
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: A new Kicker I'm ready for Hartley to go. Sure, he's nailed a few big kicks, but 2009 seems like a long time ago, and it's not as if we've been impatient with him. When it comes to kickers, I'd prefer signing a veteran. A handful of steady legs hit the FA market every offseason, so you might as well bring in a couple for a camp battle (or have a rookie / veteran camp battle, for that matter).

12-13-2013, 04:22 PM	#32
monaco Rookie Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 3	Re: A new Kicker What kind of poll is this? Next you'll ask who our starting QB should be...
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12-13-2013, 08:43 PM	#33
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: A new Kicker Hartley misses field goals from the 30-40 yards. In the NFL those should be considered chip ins. We just haven't noticed as of late because he hasn't had to kick as much. onebyone likes this.

12-13-2013, 09:59 PM	#34
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by TheOak By "streaky" and "decent", you mean 7th worst in the league? 81% of the kickers in the league being more accurate than he is? Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league. In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16, then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.], since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5. He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky. He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent. pumpkindriver likes this.

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12-14-2013, 06:18 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Maybe by streaky pumpkindriver meant that up until week 7 of this season Hartley was 74 of 87 attempts for his career which made him the 7th most accurate kicker in the league. In the first 6 games this season Hartley went 14 of 16, then over a 3 game span he went 2 of 6.], since then he hasn't missed a field goal in the last 4 games, going 5 for 5. He's missed 6 field goals this season and 4 of them came over a 3 week period. Just my opinion, but that's streaky. He's dropped from 7th most accurate active kicker to 14th, just me, but that's decent. His first season is moot, should not be in his average. He was suspended for the Adderall and has never been as accurate. But you want to look at the big picture and I get that so you and pumpkindriver (assuming his "like" of your reply denotes agreement") should look at the situational stats. What you have is a dome team that plays more than 1/2 it's games in a dome, but it's kicker is less accurate indoors on turf. Why do you think he is 17% better on the road. That's fixing an electrical socket with a spoon. When you are streaky your accuracy is up and down across the board... Hartley is not streaky, I have and can identify where his accuracy issues consistently are... Year in, year out. onebyone likes this.
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12-15-2013, 08:12 PM	#36
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: A new Kicker I really couldn't care less about next year.
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12-15-2013, 08:26 PM	#37
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: A new Kicker You guys still want Hartley as the damn kicker? He missed it from 27 yards, how much worse can you get?

12-15-2013, 08:36 PM	#38
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A new Kicker A new kicker is not really on the high priority list for me, O-Line needs a lot of work before we even consider a new kicker

12-15-2013, 08:37 PM	#39
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Re: A new Kicker Because having a kick blocked is the Kicker's fault... lol The Saints got dominated on the line in all 3 phases. As far as Hartley goes, he's average. Nothing special. Not close to being the worst. You guys should check out averages for most kickers in the league.

12-16-2013, 08:04 AM	#40
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: A new Kicker Originally Posted by BoudinSandwich Because having a kick blocked is the Kicker's fault... lol The Saints got dominated on the line in all 3 phases. As far as Hartley goes, he's average. Nothing special. Not close to being the worst. You guys should check out averages for most kickers in the league. You should read the thread.. We have... Its all posted in this thread. When a defender blocks a kick while it is coming off the kickers foot that is the lines fault. When a kick is blocked going over the line it is the kickers fault.. He kicked it too low. But you are correct.. he is not last in the league. He is just two away from that dubious honor lol. 2013 NFL Player Kicking Stats - National Football League - ESPN The catch here is that the two guys below Hartley miss 50+ yarders and Hartley is missing 20-49 yarders. onebyone likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 12-16-2013 at 08:07 AM..

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