2014 The year of the make over?

SaintLeonard · 12-14-2013, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk.

I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL)
As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB.

What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

Mr.Riaton · 12-14-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL)
As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB.

What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

SaintLeonard · 12-14-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

White has started three games:

Vs ATL - He was really bad in the first half, but in the second half, he really tightened up his coverage.
The WR he was covering against ATL was Darius Johnson. I don't think he allowed a reception that whole second half, I could very well be wrong on that though.

I am not sure how he performed against Seattle. To be honest, I was too aggravated at how that game was turning out to make judgements on individual players.

Against Carolina, he didn't allow a single reception all game according to profootballfocus.

Depending on how he played vs Seattle, he could be considered lockdown since becoming a starter. If he didn't really play that well vs Seattle though, then he's just a young player with a bright future which is completely fine.

Does anybody here have a profootballfocus subscription? If so, would you please tell me how Corey White performed that game?

Jack Vegas · 12-14-2013, 04:33 PM

I like White at corner but with his tackling/hitting I do think he would make a pretty good safety who can cover man-on-man better than most safeties. Imagine White and Vacarro back there with Lewis/Greer/Robinson as the corners. That could be a really good group.

voodooido · 12-14-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Its premature but since we are discussing drafts and free agency ... Why not

These people are free agents: (listing only names I feel notable)
Full List - New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014
Jimmy graham
Malcom Jenkins
Zach Strief
Charles Brown
Jed Collins
Parys Haralson
Johnathan Vilma
Joe Morgan
DLP
To resign the free agents you would have to "Find" at least $25M.

Players not preforming to their cap figure (my opinion)
Jabari Greer $6M <- Jury still out but Corey White is handling business.
Will Smith $13M <--Dude will just not go away
Lance More <- Love you Lance but its business and your $5m is difficult to swallow with Stills preforming the way he is and if its between Jimmy graham and you... You would keep Jimmy also. (Lance has no dead money associated)
2014 Cap hits- New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown

Look where we are with out:
Will Smith
Johnathan Vlma
Jabari Greer

Smith, Patrick Robinson will and should be cut.
Restructure Greer, Moore, Grubbs, Evans and Colston. I could see freeing up 25 mil just here.

biloxi-indian · 12-15-2013, 12:44 AM

Loomis has said on numerous occasions to expect a 20-25% turnover on the roster year over year. If true we can expect at least 10 of those either on the roster or IR to be gone next year.

I expect Vilma, Smith, Coleman, Greer, PRob, Strief, Herring, Harper, Moore, McCown, Watson, Meachem, and (drum roll) Ingram (traded)....to be seeking employment elsewhere.

The Saints will have six picks next year as they gave up a late round pick to the 49ers. They always find two or three UDFA, and a few FA.

I also think Brown will be signed and moved to the right side (making Strief expendable). I would like to think the Saints would give serious consideration to Veldheer (Oakland), if available, at LT.

alleycat_126 · 12-15-2013, 03:48 AM

This Defense as it is close to craking the code..... if you play the next season right you won't need much but staying healthy... How you is complex... but Loomis makes these things simple.

Me personally

- I would never cut Lance, restructure or trade because of Stills, but cut naw... You cut Lance you might as well stick a Patriots Jersey on him and give him 100 catches!!! They would drop Amendola in a hot second to get a receiver who does what Welker could do with out injury. And that's Lance.

If you trade Moore...You want Talib and probably nothing less.... As a matter of fact... I think the one thing you want in free agency is another CB like you discovered in Lewis this season.

- Will Smith cut
- Greer cut - Love what he has done for us, but I can't keep him here for that.
- Vima cut
- Meachum cut
- Herring cut
- Jenkins cut
- Harper restructured or cut

- Drew Brees Restructured... convert money into signing bonus.
- Butler Restructured
- Coleman restructured or cut.

- Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag.... you know the one where nobody can talk contract with him but your team

You will also be able to get out of your contract with Ingram to go into the draft in maybe the 3 rd and grab a new RB if you decide not to resign him...

DLP can be brought back on the cheap
Morgan as Well....

WhoDatFan26 · 12-16-2013, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

This Defense as it is close to craking the code..... if you play the next season right you won't need much but staying healthy... How you is complex... but Loomis makes these things simple.

Me personally

- I would never cut Lance, restructure or trade because of Stills, but cut naw... You cut Lance you might as well stick a Patriots Jersey on him and give him 100 catches!!! They would drop Amendola in a hot second to get a receiver who does what Welker could do with out injury. And that's Lance.

If you trade Moore...You want Talib and probably nothing less.... As a matter of fact... I think the one thing you want in free agency is another CB like you discovered in Lewis this season.

- Will Smith cut
- Greer cut - Love what he has done for us, but I can't keep him here for that.
- Vima cut
- Meachum cut
- Herring cut
- Jenkins cut
- Harper restructured or cut

- Drew Brees Restructured... convert money into signing bonus.
- Butler Restructured
- Coleman restructured or cut.

- Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag.... you know the one where nobody can talk contract with him but your team

You will also be able to get out of your contract with Ingram to go into the draft in maybe the 3 rd and grab a new RB if you decide not to resign him...

DLP can be brought back on the cheap
Morgan as Well....

Lance Moore is not bringing back Aqib Talib. Please don't even imagine this.

TheOak · 12-15-2013, 05:19 AM

The only reason Smith is still here
Is because more than 1/2 would have been lost in the divorce.

Next year the upside is huge.

Moore will not be here next season. Stills has taken over nearly all his targets.

We need a turn-over and this looks like the year to do it. If you wait too long you end up with rookie receivers and a rookie QB. Both is not a good recipe.

hagan714 · 12-16-2013, 07:13 AM

Talib skills are there if you keep him on the field. pass damaged goods

Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag

i can live with that move because he will become the highest paid TE in the NFL due to the fact he never lines up in a TE set. plus i believe that condition puts a first and third round pick on him also

(drum roll) Ingram (traded)

yep the can of worms that wont go away

2 first and say two thirds and lose Gram and Ingram. Gram you would need to replace and add a WR to equal out production. Ingram is a luxury that has been injured since day one and may get you a 3rd.

2014 will be fun

12-14-2013, 04:15 PM	#1
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk. I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL) As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB. What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

12-14-2013, 05:53 PM	#2
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL) As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB. What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

12-14-2013, 06:08 PM	#3
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV White has started three games: Vs ATL - He was really bad in the first half, but in the second half, he really tightened up his coverage. The WR he was covering against ATL was Darius Johnson. I don't think he allowed a reception that whole second half, I could very well be wrong on that though. I am not sure how he performed against Seattle. To be honest, I was too aggravated at how that game was turning out to make judgements on individual players. Against Carolina, he didn't allow a single reception all game according to profootballfocus. Depending on how he played vs Seattle, he could be considered lockdown since becoming a starter. If he didn't really play that well vs Seattle though, then he's just a young player with a bright future which is completely fine. Does anybody here have a profootballfocus subscription? If so, would you please tell me how Corey White performed that game?

12-14-2013, 04:33 PM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? I like White at corner but with his tackling/hitting I do think he would make a pretty good safety who can cover man-on-man better than most safeties. Imagine White and Vacarro back there with Lewis/Greer/Robinson as the corners. That could be a really good group. papz and Mr.Riaton like this.
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12-14-2013, 09:06 PM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by TheOak Its premature but since we are discussing drafts and free agency ... Why not These people are free agents: (listing only names I feel notable) Full List - New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014 Jimmy graham Malcom Jenkins Zach Strief Charles Brown Jed Collins Parys Haralson Johnathan Vilma Joe Morgan DLP To resign the free agents you would have to "Find" at least $25M. Players not preforming to their cap figure (my opinion) Jabari Greer $6M <- Jury still out but Corey White is handling business. Will Smith $13M <--Dude will just not go away Lance More <- Love you Lance but its business and your $5m is difficult to swallow with Stills preforming the way he is and if its between Jimmy graham and you... You would keep Jimmy also. (Lance has no dead money associated) 2014 Cap hits- New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown Look where we are with out: Will Smith Johnathan Vlma Jabari Greer Smith, Patrick Robinson will and should be cut. Restructure Greer, Moore, Grubbs, Evans and Colston. I could see freeing up 25 mil just here.
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12-15-2013, 12:44 AM	#6
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Loomis has said on numerous occasions to expect a 20-25% turnover on the roster year over year. If true we can expect at least 10 of those either on the roster or IR to be gone next year. I expect Vilma, Smith, Coleman, Greer, PRob, Strief, Herring, Harper, Moore, McCown, Watson, Meachem, and (drum roll) Ingram (traded)....to be seeking employment elsewhere. The Saints will have six picks next year as they gave up a late round pick to the 49ers. They always find two or three UDFA, and a few FA. I also think Brown will be signed and moved to the right side (making Strief expendable). I would like to think the Saints would give serious consideration to Veldheer (Oakland), if available, at LT.
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12-15-2013, 03:48 AM	#7
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? This Defense as it is close to craking the code..... if you play the next season right you won't need much but staying healthy... How you is complex... but Loomis makes these things simple. Me personally - I would never cut Lance, restructure or trade because of Stills, but cut naw... You cut Lance you might as well stick a Patriots Jersey on him and give him 100 catches!!! They would drop Amendola in a hot second to get a receiver who does what Welker could do with out injury. And that's Lance. If you trade Moore...You want Talib and probably nothing less.... As a matter of fact... I think the one thing you want in free agency is another CB like you discovered in Lewis this season. - Will Smith cut - Greer cut - Love what he has done for us, but I can't keep him here for that. - Vima cut - Meachum cut - Herring cut - Jenkins cut - Harper restructured or cut - Drew Brees Restructured... convert money into signing bonus. - Butler Restructured - Coleman restructured or cut. - Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag.... you know the one where nobody can talk contract with him but your team You will also be able to get out of your contract with Ingram to go into the draft in maybe the 3 rd and grab a new RB if you decide not to resign him... DLP can be brought back on the cheap Morgan as Well....
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12-16-2013, 01:29 PM	#8
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by alleycat_126 This Defense as it is close to craking the code..... if you play the next season right you won't need much but staying healthy... How you is complex... but Loomis makes these things simple. Me personally - I would never cut Lance, restructure or trade because of Stills, but cut naw... You cut Lance you might as well stick a Patriots Jersey on him and give him 100 catches!!! They would drop Amendola in a hot second to get a receiver who does what Welker could do with out injury. And that's Lance. If you trade Moore...You want Talib and probably nothing less.... As a matter of fact... I think the one thing you want in free agency is another CB like you discovered in Lewis this season. - Will Smith cut - Greer cut - Love what he has done for us, but I can't keep him here for that. - Vima cut - Meachum cut - Herring cut - Jenkins cut - Harper restructured or cut - Drew Brees Restructured... convert money into signing bonus. - Butler Restructured - Coleman restructured or cut. - Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag.... you know the one where nobody can talk contract with him but your team You will also be able to get out of your contract with Ingram to go into the draft in maybe the 3 rd and grab a new RB if you decide not to resign him... DLP can be brought back on the cheap Morgan as Well.... Lance Moore is not bringing back Aqib Talib. Please don't even imagine this.
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12-15-2013, 05:19 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? The only reason Smith is still here Is because more than 1/2 would have been lost in the divorce. Next year the upside is huge. Moore will not be here next season. Stills has taken over nearly all his targets. We need a turn-over and this looks like the year to do it. If you wait too long you end up with rookie receivers and a rookie QB. Both is not a good recipe.

12-16-2013, 07:13 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Talib skills are there if you keep him on the field. pass damaged goods Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag i can live with that move because he will become the highest paid TE in the NFL due to the fact he never lines up in a TE set. plus i believe that condition puts a first and third round pick on him also (drum roll) Ingram (traded) yep the can of worms that wont go away 2 first and say two thirds and lose Gram and Ingram. Gram you would need to replace and add a WR to equal out production. Ingram is a luxury that has been injured since day one and may get you a 3rd. 2014 will be fun
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