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TheOak · 12-22-2013, 04:56 PM

We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before.

We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD.

|Mitch| · 12-22-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before.

We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD.

I was asking the same question, did the defensive play-calling change or did the players not execute?

limitless · 12-22-2013, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before.

We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD.

Our offense didn't help. Didn't finish it off earlier. Offensive execution cost us and costly penalites. The defense did run out of gas at the very end and we have seen this before. I'm suprised we didn't run a prevent d which killed us before. I think the only drive they had of the second half was he TD drive.

nycsaintfan · 12-22-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before.

We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD.

Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England.

exile · 12-22-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England.

I miss Deuce.

TheOak · 12-22-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England.

There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing.

There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender.

You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense.

blackangold · 12-22-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing.

There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender.

You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense.

D played a roll in the loss, but only putting up 13 points is the bigger factor. 58 min our D played great...

In my humble opinion no loss this year can be put on our D. We have the 4th ranked D in the league. If I would have told you that before the season you would tell me we would be undefeated.

4th ranked D...

and the

13th ranked O... Yup you heard that right. Squandered talent, and when you watch the press conference after the game Payton seems to be in denial.

nycsaintfan · 12-22-2013, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing.

There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender.

You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense.

I can understand your frustration. But I think the defense did its job today. In fact, with about 5 minutes left in the game defense yet again held Newton to a three and out. We got the ball back and offensively could not do much after we had scored the touchdown.

Yes, there was the rushing touchdown given up to DeAngelo Williams, and the gut wrenching passing touchdown with :23 seconds left in the game. However, they were able to turn back Carolina early in the game with a tip pick which took points off the board, as Newton had the Panthers in position to at least get 3 in the first quarter. Plus 4 sacks and numerous other pressures of Cam Newton throughout the game. Add in the Panthers were 0-9 on third down.

Although not perfect, I think the defense certain did its job today. Sadly, if our offense picks up ONE first down inside of two minutes...

TheOak · 12-23-2013, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

I can understand your frustration. But I think the defense did its job today. In fact, with about 5 minutes left in the game defense yet again held Newton to a three and out. We got the ball back and offensively could not do much after we had scored the touchdown.

Yes, there was the rushing touchdown given up to DeAngelo Williams, and the gut wrenching passing touchdown with :23 seconds left in the game. However, they were able to turn back Carolina early in the game with a tip pick which took points off the board, as Newton had the Panthers in position to at least get 3 in the first quarter. Plus 4 sacks and numerous other pressures of Cam Newton throughout the game. Add in the Panthers were 0-9 on third down.

Although not perfect, I think the defense certain did its job today. Sadly, if our offense picks up ONE first down inside of two minutes...

I am not frustrated. Those were the 80s and 90.

Every play is different and every quarter is different. When you have the lead with 2m and some change on the clock then change your defense and lose..... It's on the change. This is not the first game we change the scheme and let someone blow down the field in the final 2m.

I'm glad the defense has gone from 32 to 5th. Doesn't change anything about the fact that we let them blow down the field in the final minute.

It is what it is..... Nothing changes

12-22-2013, 04:56 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: 10-5 We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before. We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD.

12-22-2013, 04:58 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by TheOak We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before. We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD. I was asking the same question, did the defensive play-calling change or did the players not execute?

12-22-2013, 05:03 PM	#4
limitless Registered Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 30	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by TheOak We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before. We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD. Our offense didn't help. Didn't finish it off earlier. Offensive execution cost us and costly penalites. The defense did run out of gas at the very end and we have seen this before. I'm suprised we didn't run a prevent d which killed us before. I think the only drive they had of the second half was he TD drive.

12-22-2013, 05:09 PM	#5
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by TheOak We lost today because of the same 2 minute porous defense we have seen before. We beat a team up for 58 minutes then in the last 2 mins we let them drive 80 yards for a TD. Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England.
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12-22-2013, 05:10 PM	#6
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by nycsaintfan Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England. I miss Deuce. nycsaintfan likes this.
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12-22-2013, 06:27 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by nycsaintfan Oak, I'll say it again. With 1:54 left in the game we had a chance to run out the clock. A first down locks up the two seed and a bye for us. We go three and out. The Saints needed to get the first down and not GIVE the ball back to Carolina. The defense should never have been in a position to protect the lead again. Similar to the Patriot game in New England. There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing. There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender. You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense.

12-22-2013, 06:34 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by TheOak There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing. There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender. You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense. D played a roll in the loss, but only putting up 13 points is the bigger factor. 58 min our D played great... In my humble opinion no loss this year can be put on our D. We have the 4th ranked D in the league. If I would have told you that before the season you would tell me we would be undefeated. 4th ranked D... and the 13th ranked O... Yup you heard that right. Squandered talent, and when you watch the press conference after the game Payton seems to be in denial.

12-22-2013, 07:08 PM	#9
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: 10-5 Originally Posted by TheOak There is a difference between not being able to do something you couldn't do previously in the game and doing something well and then changing it and failing. There were no pick 6s, so all points scored were on a defense. Should I mention 2 uncontested TDs, one passing and one rushing? Both scored with no hand on them by a defender. You can say it a 3rd time if you like. Doesn't change points being scored on a defense. I can understand your frustration. But I think the defense did its job today. In fact, with about 5 minutes left in the game defense yet again held Newton to a three and out. We got the ball back and offensively could not do much after we had scored the touchdown. Yes, there was the rushing touchdown given up to DeAngelo Williams, and the gut wrenching passing touchdown with :23 seconds left in the game. However, they were able to turn back Carolina early in the game with a tip pick which took points off the board, as Newton had the Panthers in position to at least get 3 in the first quarter. Plus 4 sacks and numerous other pressures of Cam Newton throughout the game. Add in the Panthers were 0-9 on third down. Although not perfect, I think the defense certain did its job today. Sadly, if our offense picks up ONE first down inside of two minutes... OldMaid likes this.
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12-23-2013, 11:45 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	10-5 Originally Posted by nycsaintfan I can understand your frustration. But I think the defense did its job today. In fact, with about 5 minutes left in the game defense yet again held Newton to a three and out. We got the ball back and offensively could not do much after we had scored the touchdown. Yes, there was the rushing touchdown given up to DeAngelo Williams, and the gut wrenching passing touchdown with :23 seconds left in the game. However, they were able to turn back Carolina early in the game with a tip pick which took points off the board, as Newton had the Panthers in position to at least get 3 in the first quarter. Plus 4 sacks and numerous other pressures of Cam Newton throughout the game. Add in the Panthers were 0-9 on third down. Although not perfect, I think the defense certain did its job today. Sadly, if our offense picks up ONE first down inside of two minutes... I am not frustrated. Those were the 80s and 90. Every play is different and every quarter is different. When you have the lead with 2m and some change on the clock then change your defense and lose..... It's on the change. This is not the first game we change the scheme and let someone blow down the field in the final 2m. I'm glad the defense has gone from 32 to 5th. Doesn't change anything about the fact that we let them blow down the field in the final minute. It is what it is..... Nothing changes
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