Run Game Key to Winning on the Road

TheOak · 12-30-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Oak, those games were winable, real close games and in all fairness look at the games we lost by not running the ball and the difference in those games. When we don't have a balance is when we look bad!!

Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season.

In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season.

I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything.

ScottF · 12-30-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season.

In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season.

I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything.

Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period.
We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing.

We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc.
Throw it.

Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed

TheOak · 12-30-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period.
We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing.

We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc.
Throw it.

Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed

I think that is where the confusion is. It is not that we do not try, we just can not do it well enough consistently.

spkb25 · 12-30-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game

TheOak · 12-30-2013, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game

We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage.

spkb25 · 12-30-2013, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage.

We do, and I agree, but I am just saying we can maintain ball control through short passing attack, and they seem to be weak over the middle. Graham should have a good game

WHODATINCA · 01-05-2014, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so.....

But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust.

I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season?

TheOak · 01-05-2014, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so.....

But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust.

I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season?

We run when we can and there doesn't seem to be any predictability
on that. We ran against Dallas, Carolina, and now the Eagles but couldn't against a lot of teams. There were literally games where 3/4 of our rushing attempts were tackled 1-2 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Drew had a completely different second 1/2 than the first. He has always been the key to a victory.

He settled down in the second half and started taking what they would give him instead of trying to force passes like he did in the first half.

Saintaintso · 12-30-2013, 08:01 AM

This is the perfect setup , we suck on the road and go against a team that sucks at home !! Plus ... Our offense hasn't been on point as of late , watching film on chip Kelly's offense I'm sure is going to give Sean Payton some new arsenal to steal , if you watch them closely , their routes are ingenious , the spacing for lesean McCoy is innovative always giving him a cutback lane.

If our offense revs up for this game and can steal a few wrinkles just for the playoffs , we're going to be a buzz saw

triman · 12-30-2013, 08:37 AM

Throw out the regular season. The playoffs are a whole other animal. All teams face must win situations . I think our chances are pretty good against the Eagles. You hear the cliche about just do your job because it is true.Focus is very key to optimized performance.Players sometimes get in trouble in these big games trying to do too much. Forcing throws ,jumping routes etc..I played rugby at all-star level and the coaches always stressed that the things that got you to the all-star level was ding your job better than your opponents.It really is that simple. The only team that really scares me is the Seahawks. They are beatable if we do our jobs.GO Saints

12-30-2013, 10:13 AM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by TheOak Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season. In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season. I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything. Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period. We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing. We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc. Throw it. Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed

12-30-2013, 10:32 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by TheOak Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan. The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense. Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games Dallas - 242 W @New England - 131 L @Panthers 126 L Cardinals 104 W @Falcons - 103 W Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers. I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game

12-30-2013, 10:35 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by spkb25 I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage.

12-30-2013, 10:37 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by TheOak We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage. We do, and I agree, but I am just saying we can maintain ball control through short passing attack, and they seem to be weak over the middle. Graham should have a good game

01-05-2014, 02:17 AM	#7
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by TheOak Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan. The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense. Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games Dallas - 242 W @New England - 131 L @Panthers 126 L Cardinals 104 W @Falcons - 103 W Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers. Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so..... But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust. I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season?

12-30-2013, 09:30 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by halloween 65 Oak, those games were winable, real close games and in all fairness look at the games we lost by not running the ball and the difference in those games. When we don't have a balance is when we look bad!! Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season. In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season. I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything. ScottF likes this.

12-30-2013, 10:17 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by ScottF Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period. We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing. We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc. Throw it. Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed I think that is where the confusion is. It is not that we do not try, we just can not do it well enough consistently. Beastmode likes this.

01-05-2014, 03:34 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so..... But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust. I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season? We run when we can and there doesn't seem to be any predictability on that. We ran against Dallas, Carolina, and now the Eagles but couldn't against a lot of teams. There were literally games where 3/4 of our rushing attempts were tackled 1-2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Drew had a completely different second 1/2 than the first. He has always been the key to a victory. He settled down in the second half and started taking what they would give him instead of trying to force passes like he did in the first half.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-30-2013, 08:01 AM	#9
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road This is the perfect setup , we suck on the road and go against a team that sucks at home !! Plus ... Our offense hasn't been on point as of late , watching film on chip Kelly's offense I'm sure is going to give Sean Payton some new arsenal to steal , if you watch them closely , their routes are ingenious , the spacing for lesean McCoy is innovative always giving him a cutback lane. If our offense revs up for this game and can steal a few wrinkles just for the playoffs , we're going to be a buzz saw
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12-30-2013, 08:37 AM	#10
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Run Game Key to Winning on the Road Throw out the regular season. The playoffs are a whole other animal. All teams face must win situations . I think our chances are pretty good against the Eagles. You hear the cliche about just do your job because it is true.Focus is very key to optimized performance.Players sometimes get in trouble in these big games trying to do too much. Forcing throws ,jumping routes etc..I played rugby at all-star level and the coaches always stressed that the things that got you to the all-star level was ding your job better than your opponents.It really is that simple. The only team that really scares me is the Seahawks. They are beatable if we do our jobs.GO Saints
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