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rezburna 05-12-2014 08:54 AM
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I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.

SmashMouth 05-12-2014 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 593499)
I tried to trade Jimmy Graham on my franchise mode in Madden. He's got a 99 overall, yet nobody would give me a 1st for him. I couldn't get Alston Jeffrey, AJ Green, or Josh Gordon for him. Teams wouldn't give me anything you'd think his value would demand. Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.
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Then I realized, TE's don't win Super Bowls.
Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release?:broccoli:

jeanpierre 05-17-2014 07:44 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 593495)
I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent.
The difference is not the salary hit, but this...

If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]...

But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft...

More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops...

TheOak 05-17-2014 04:40 PM
Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 593495)
I do find it interesting that teams will be aggressive moving up in the draft but say its bad value to pay two first rounders for proven talent.

Because a first round draft pick costs you how much cap space in addition to the 2 draft picks? Joeckel #2 overall was a cap hit of 3.5m in 2013, 13m signing bonus and no guaranteed.

Graham for instance would cost then 2 Firsts plus at least 10m in cap space along with 30m guaranteed.

Rookie contracts are shorter and top 15 come with a 5th year option.

Because a first rounder comes at 20m over 4 years, none guaranteed but the signing bonus he is less of a gamble than a Graham at 60m over 5 with 30m guaranteed.

Proven doesn't matter much in this league when you balance that with loss of money because of injury or players that get paid and stop producing.


Most of all 2 first round draft picks are given in the draft for?

Not Tight Ends.

It's everything.. What JP said above and what I've added.

rezburna 05-17-2014 04:41 PM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 593500)
Now here is the inspiration for a new R&B/Rap song...when shall we expect its release?:broccoli:
Lol. My bad SmashMouth. I shot a video yesterday too. Probably shoot when in New Orleans next. I need to go ahead and put something together.

jeanpierre 05-22-2014 10:38 AM
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New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees said he understands Jimmy Graham's absence from OTAs | NOLA.com

Drew, please stay out of it...

jeanpierre 05-23-2014 08:46 AM
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Drew Brees knows what Jimmy Graham is going through - ESPN

Same schtuff...

Stealthman 05-27-2014 04:22 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 594186)
The difference is not the salary hit, but this...

If a proven player comes to a team for two first round picks and is not as successful, then the onus comes down directly on the GM and Coaches, because it's certainly not the player [sic]...

But if you draft player(s) that don't pan out, then the GM has an out and can claim most draft experts agreed to some degree with the move and that the player just didn't apply himself and that we'll have to geaux back to the draft...

More job security risk for GMs when they take the high profile free agent and it flops...
B-I-N-G-O (...and CHECKMATE)!

Can anybody say: Trent Richardson?

:bng:

hagan714 05-27-2014 05:06 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl.

so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct.

If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job

jeanpierre 05-30-2014 04:09 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 595250)
the only way i see Jimmy traded is to a team that believes he would be the missing piece to get to the super bowl.

so that would be pick 32 or 31 if they were correct.

If not oh well another GM on the market looking for a job
Or, if Graham is signed by a team that makes such a run, we'd get that late first round pick, unless already traded and then it'd roll forward; plus, the following No. 1 pick..

Graham is not going anywhere, Saints Front Office seems to have correctly gambled and gained leverage showing that Graham, while a unique talent, is not worth two No. ones - leverage Saints...

The aforementioned development is why Graham's representation filed appeal for review of Graham's position assignment in attempt to gain back leverage to 'move the middle ground' of annual compensation back up to Graham's camp's desired numbers...

What's funny and probably frustrating for them, is that Graham's representation keeps beating their chest when he receives accolades by media, who may/may not have likely been bought with an exclusive or information on another story, for Graham as the League's (wait for it) Best Tight End...


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