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AliJee 06-19-2014 03:17 AM
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I've tried to do my own research on descriptions of positions in the NFL, what I have failed to find is something that says that a tight end strictly cannot line up wide... I'm wondering if there's a reference or a rulebook that would define a restriction like this?

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jeanpierre 06-19-2014 06:28 PM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by AliJee (Post 597632)
I've tried to do my own research on descriptions of positions in the NFL, what I have failed to find is something that says that a tight end strictly cannot line up wide... I'm wondering if there's a reference or a rulebook that would define a restriction like this?

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Using Webster's Dictionary Online, Saints are screwed...

Using most football books, you're absolutely dead-on that there's nothing limiting a Tight End to lining up wide are tight on the tackle, other than he has to be on the line of scimmage...

End of the day, he's an All-Pro as a ****, his own twitter page he refers to himself as a tight end; and other than TD receptions, he's barely a top 20 receiver in catches or reception yards...

AsylumGuido 06-19-2014 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 597711)
Using Webster's Dictionary Online, Saints are screwed...

Using most football books, you're absolutely dead-on that there's nothing limiting a Tight End to lining up wide are tight on the tackle, other than he has to be on the line of scimmage...

End of the day, he's an All-Pro as a ****, his own twitter page he refers to himself as a tight end; and other than TD receptions, he's barely a top 20 receiver in catches or reception yards...
Sorry, but I didn't catch your ****'s meaning. I have never seen, nor read, nor heard any reference to Jimmy Graham himself stating he was anything other than a tight end. You can ***** and moan at the NFLPA because of their grievance. You can ***** and moan at his agent for telling Graham to remain silent about everything, as was most probably directed by the NFLPA.

But, who you need to ***** and moan at is the media which has dumped all of this into this kid's lap.

Direct your anger toward the proper targets.

jeanpierre 06-19-2014 10:02 PM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597712)
Sorry, but I didn't catch your ****'s meaning. I have never seen, nor read, nor heard any reference to Jimmy Graham himself stating he was anything other than a tight end. You can ***** and moan at the NFLPA because of their grievance. You can ***** and moan at his agent for telling Graham to remain silent about everything, as was most probably directed by the NFLPA.

But, who you need to ***** and moan at is the media which has dumped all of this into this kid's lap.

Direct your anger toward the proper targets.
Hold on - Jimmy has NOT been silent and awkwardly twitted similar bullshinski his agent has been dealing...

And last I checked, my lawyer does what I tell him what to do...

Never faulted him for seeking a max deal - just called BS on his WR argument - all of this is done in his name, he's an adult, therefore it is his argument...

Still gonna love the Saints and what he does to make the Saints win...

But like Brees and agent has done, if you take too much Pi, then we want be able to sign, retain other Alpha Betas to keep winning...

(see what I did there?!?)

exile 06-19-2014 10:13 PM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
Trade him for Adrian Peterson. Seriously. :)

jeanpierre 06-19-2014 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 597723)
Trade him for Adrian Peterson. Seriously. :)
Can you imagine Petersahn in this offense?!? OMG...

lee909 06-20-2014 03:46 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 597722)
Hold on - Jimmy has NOT been silent and awkwardly twitted similar bullshinski his agent has been dealing...

And last I checked, my lawyer does what I tell him what to do...

Never faulted him for seeking a max deal - just called BS on his WR argument - all of this is done in his name, he's an adult, therefore it is his argument...

Still gonna love the Saints and what he does to make the Saints win...

But like Brees and agent has done, if you take too much Pi, then we want be able to sign, retain other Alpha Betas to keep winning...

(see what I did there?!?)
spot on
Agents work for players, the union can only act as long as the player wishes.
Graham may be keeping quiet in the media but he knows whats going on as is happy for the NFLPA and Sexton to push this. He could just say get a deal done with the Saints or I sit/play out the tag and move as a FA next year. But he is happy for this to happen in the hope that he wins and has additional leverage on the long term deal.

jeanpierre 06-20-2014 06:56 AM
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"I know he's stressed," Saints backup tight end Benjamin Watson said Thursday after the Saints' final voluntary practice before training camp next month. "He's going through a lot right now." (USA Today)

AsylumGuido 06-20-2014 09:04 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 597722)
Hold on - Jimmy has NOT been silent and awkwardly twitted similar bullshinski his agent has been dealing...

And last I checked, my lawyer does what I tell him what to do...

Never faulted him for seeking a max deal - just called BS on his WR argument - all of this is done in his name, he's an adult, therefore it is his argument...

Still gonna love the Saints and what he does to make the Saints win...

But like Brees and agent has done, if you take too much Pi, then we want be able to sign, retain other Alpha Betas to keep winning...

(see what I did there?!?)
Wrong. I have followed Graham on Twitter since he joined the team. He has NEVER tweeted anything about his tag designation. Immediately after he was tagged he posted one jokingly saying, "Tag! I'm it." and then another saying he was "shocked and disappointed." That is it.

Even his agent has not said anything about the WR angle as far as I can gather. That has been 100% the NFLPA. Graham has NEVER claimed he was a WR in any manner. The whole argument has been put forth by the NFLPA.

AsylumGuido 06-20-2014 09:13 AM
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No kidding. Graham was clearly pressured into this and he has to be feeling miserable. If you really knew anything about this man you all would know he is perhaps the most genuine person, besides Brees, on the entire roster. He wants this to be over as badly as any of us.

This hearing was inevitable. Its implications are far bigger than Jimmy Graham and his negotiations with the Saints. It has taken on a life of its own. This is all about the NFLPA, the NFL, and the CBA.

Unlike what some of you may think, Graham is clearly not "happy" with any of this.


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