Jimmy Graham Contract

TheOak · 01-13-2014, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's 5mil per annum - why would he take less than market value?!?

Fine give him 6M a year.

6m/year makes him top 10 TE paid
2013 NFL Top Base Salaries - Tight End

Thats is where he preformed in the Post Season, and in regular season his Ave YPC is way out side of top 10.

Total yards/year is not a function of ability, it is function of being thrown to. Throw Ben Watson the ball 86 times and with his AVE he would have 1,023 yards and be 2nd in the NFL.

He takes what he is willing to take. I do not see him as being worth over what I stated until he stops getting shut out.

8 games this entire year with less than 50 yards.
Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

Want to call him a WR... Fine. He is out side of the top 10 WRs in total yards.
NFL Stats: by Player Position

So as a TE he can not block and as a WR he is not top 10. His Drop Rate is 6.52 which puts 19 TEs above him and 22 WRs above him.

Jimmy Graham did not play Top Money in his contract year. 6m/year. period

halloween 65 · 01-13-2014, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Fine give him 6M a year.

6m/year makes him top 10 TE paid
2013 NFL Top Base Salaries - Tight End

Thats is where he preformed in the Post Season, and in regular season his Ave YPC is way out side of top 10.

Total yards/year is not a function of ability, it is function of being thrown to. Throw Ben Watson the ball 86 times and with his AVE he would have 1,023 yards and be 2nd in the NFL.

He takes what he is willing to take. I do not see him as being worth over what I stated until he stops getting shut out.

8 games this entire year with less than 50 yards.
Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

Want to call him a WR... Fine. He is out side of the top 10 WRs in total yards.
NFL Stats: by Player Position

So as a TE he can not block and as a WR he is not top 10. His Drop Rate is 6.52 which puts 19 TEs above him and 22 WRs above him.

Jimmy Graham did not play Top Money in his contract year. 6m/year. period

I think that is to much, 5 mil is to much, could save a butt load of money and draft 1 if need be. I'm not saying your wrong by no means and I kind of under stand the market price(don't always agree with the market price) there are some good TE's in this years draft.

NonieT · 01-13-2014, 09:54 AM

Maybe he needs to spend a little time with Tony Gonzales this off season. He could teach how him to treat press man coverage and he might become a better blocker after he spends a little time with Gonzales. Gonzales has said in the past that he likes Graham so I don't see why he wouldn't help him. Jimmy could benefit from spending some time with the best TE to ever play the game.

onanygivenSu · 01-13-2014, 12:40 PM

Relative to what to pay Graham, it's better to think in terms of cap hit instead of base salary. Base salaries can be misleading.

If you look at the 2014-2016 cap hits for the Top 5 TEs in the league, which Graham is arguably one, you're looking at a cap hit of roughly $8M/year.

So in my opinion, a reasonable contract for Jimmy would be very close, or slightly higher than what Jared Cook got from St. Louis last March, which was 5 years, $35.1M total, $19M guaranteed and with a $5M signing bonus. Jared Cook and Jimmy Graham essentially play the same position except that Jimmy currently outperforms Cook.

Graham will likely command at least an $8.5M annual cap hit on the open market. The Saints could get a slight home town discount but nowhere near $2M-3M/year.

JMO

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01-13-2014, 08:32 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by jeanpierre That's 5mil per annum - why would he take less than market value?!? Fine give him 6M a year. 6m/year makes him top 10 TE paid 2013 NFL Top Base Salaries - Tight End Thats is where he preformed in the Post Season, and in regular season his Ave YPC is way out side of top 10. Total yards/year is not a function of ability, it is function of being thrown to. Throw Ben Watson the ball 86 times and with his AVE he would have 1,023 yards and be 2nd in the NFL. He takes what he is willing to take. I do not see him as being worth over what I stated until he stops getting shut out. 8 games this entire year with less than 50 yards. Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN Want to call him a WR... Fine. He is out side of the top 10 WRs in total yards. NFL Stats: by Player Position So as a TE he can not block and as a WR he is not top 10. His Drop Rate is 6.52 which puts 19 TEs above him and 22 WRs above him. Jimmy Graham did not play Top Money in his contract year. 6m/year. period blackangold, CharityMike and rezburna like this.
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01-13-2014, 09:20 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by TheOak Fine give him 6M a year. 6m/year makes him top 10 TE paid 2013 NFL Top Base Salaries - Tight End Thats is where he preformed in the Post Season, and in regular season his Ave YPC is way out side of top 10. Total yards/year is not a function of ability, it is function of being thrown to. Throw Ben Watson the ball 86 times and with his AVE he would have 1,023 yards and be 2nd in the NFL. He takes what he is willing to take. I do not see him as being worth over what I stated until he stops getting shut out. 8 games this entire year with less than 50 yards. Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN Want to call him a WR... Fine. He is out side of the top 10 WRs in total yards. NFL Stats: by Player Position So as a TE he can not block and as a WR he is not top 10. His Drop Rate is 6.52 which puts 19 TEs above him and 22 WRs above him. Jimmy Graham did not play Top Money in his contract year. 6m/year. period I think that is to much, 5 mil is to much, could save a butt load of money and draft 1 if need be. I'm not saying your wrong by no means and I kind of under stand the market price(don't always agree with the market price) there are some good TE's in this years draft.

01-13-2014, 09:54 AM	#3
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Maybe he needs to spend a little time with Tony Gonzales this off season. He could teach how him to treat press man coverage and he might become a better blocker after he spends a little time with Gonzales. Gonzales has said in the past that he likes Graham so I don't see why he wouldn't help him. Jimmy could benefit from spending some time with the best TE to ever play the game.
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01-13-2014, 12:40 PM	#4
onanygivenSu Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: In the moment Posts: 44	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Relative to what to pay Graham, it's better to think in terms of cap hit instead of base salary. Base salaries can be misleading. If you look at the 2014-2016 cap hits for the Top 5 TEs in the league, which Graham is arguably one, you're looking at a cap hit of roughly $8M/year. So in my opinion, a reasonable contract for Jimmy would be very close, or slightly higher than what Jared Cook got from St. Louis last March, which was 5 years, $35.1M total, $19M guaranteed and with a $5M signing bonus. Jared Cook and Jimmy Graham essentially play the same position except that Jimmy currently outperforms Cook. Graham will likely command at least an $8.5M annual cap hit on the open market. The Saints could get a slight home town discount but nowhere near $2M-3M/year. JMO

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