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Jimmy Graham Contract
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Utah_Saint This year his drop rate improved significantly, he was in the top half (barely) of TEs and the top third of WRs. Last year he was dealing with a wrist injury that many sports writers said ...
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01-16-2014, 05:22 PM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint
Sorry, I dont listen to many Sports Writers, I listen to so few that there isn't a number less than 2 digits past the decimal to define it. 
You are proving my point for me.. While you are arguing that he is not bad and we shouldn't get rid of him I have never said that we should. I said he hasn't been consistent enough for Gronk money and he hasn't. I do not know what grades you are looking at on PFF but his run blocking -6.1 worst on all offense and pass blocking is -0.2 19th out of 26 offensive players. THink about this combination for me... Forget what we have discussed and that this is Jimmy Graham ... If a player doesnt catch nearly 40% of the passes thrown at him and leads the league in INTs when thrown to him what would you think? Jimmy's Catch % this season in comparison. (balls caught that were thrown to them) Gonzalez 72.2% Olsen 71.6% Tamme 83.3% Gates 71.3% Watson 67.9% Jimmy Graham 63.2% 6 INTs when throwing to Jimmy Graham... More than anyone in the league... Drew Brees threw 12 INTs this season. 1/2 of Drews INTs were while throwing to Graham. Is it coincidence that Drew Brees throws 1/2 of his INTs when throwing to Graham or possibility a receiver has t-rex syndrome and doesn't go get the ball? I do not want to hear about injures as long as he is dunking balls... That defies logic. 
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01-16-2014, 06:27 PM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by TheOak
Damn!!
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01-16-2014, 08:35 PM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by TheOak
Hold the phone...
As Saint fans that understand our team fairly well as most of us demonstrate in posts here, we recognize when the Saints are about to pump the ball to Graham... Surely, good teams recognize formations, tendencies, tells that give that away that same information... Definitely, understand the frustraton that Graham didn't seem to want it more; however, I've postponed judgement as I said previously - It's time Graham give wink and there be disclosure about the plantar fascia injury; and how it affected his ability to fight for the ball, position et al... As I've rewatched the @Seattle playoff game again, saw inaccurate throws (i.e. wrong side of the body, behind the receiver, hesistated throws,etc) by Brees that give me continued concern about Brees' arm strength/accuracy and the decline in same since his rehab regime coming to the Saints... In fact, I think Brees needs to see a shoulder specialist well in advance of next season to see if there is something he could do to intensify, or even just adjust his workout to possibly reinvigorate that reconstructed shoulder... So I can't hang those INT's on Graham so easily without having as much information as Coach Payton will allow us to share about the injury... But the blocking, you are correct, sir; in fact, it would be best if he were tasked not to block to there is no video footage of it for latter embarrassment... |
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01-17-2014, 03:51 AM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Phone in hand...... He leaps in the air and dunks a football over field-goal posts every TD. Tell me again how bad he is injured. FWIW Jimmy Graham expends more energy and looks a bit more athletic and brutal in his post dunk TDs and post catch flexes than he does in a fair amount of his missed balls. This has zero to do with it being Jimmy Graham, I don't let my daughters out of cleaning their room just because they "don't feel good", when I just saw them running and playing either. |
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01-17-2014, 04:47 AM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by TheOak
LOL Have to agree, lol, he should definitely cut down on the dunks and save them for effect, but he's springing off the good foot; (wait for it) it's like the thing in Basketball - where he can't geaux left... But, pardon the broken record thingy, the injury should be disclosed now that the season is over - fans, PAYING, fans of tickets, merchandise, subscriptions are owed an explanation of what he endured (or not) and I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt... |
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01-17-2014, 07:44 AM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
We are not "owed" anything of personal nature by any NFL players or coaches. The only parties that owed information like that are teams that are hoping to sign or trade for a player we have. it is none of my business what any of our players hurt during the season; if its divulged because they miss a game then great, but nothing is owed.
If he can spring off 1 foot for a dunk, he can spring off the same foot for a catch. I have said a few times the play that is missing from our repertoire is the pass that is thrown at the corss-bar where only Jimmy can get it. Instead of throwing to Jimmy's numbers as he runs laterally across the back of the endzone, lob the jump ball so it comes down 2 feet in-front of the goal post. He is a frikken basketball player for Christs sake! |
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01-17-2014, 08:11 AM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by TheOak
As a consumer, if they want my money, I want to know what I'm paying for - so we'll just continue to disagree on that point...
Now, on the design play for Graham, I don't fault Colston for the Catch & Pray... But I did ask myself just after the game, why didn't we instruct the receivers to get out of bounds at the 50-S45 yd line on the second to last play and run a hail mary with Graham, Colston leaping and Toon screening?!? WTF is gonna stop that?!? |
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01-17-2014, 08:31 AM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
On the first point, I would argue that we pay for entertainment and not rights... If you buy a steak you have purchased no rights to know about the cook. So we disagree.
The question about the last play is valid but it digs a little deeper in my view, and it gets back to coaching, but who is it on? We tend to hand everything on SP but there is an OC and a receivers coach that should have grabbed Colston and told him get OB ASAP. Sean Payton calls the plays but he is not tied to fundamental football such as laces out for a FG, be prepared for an onside kick, get OB as soon as you catch the pass; he is focused on a higher tier of the game. |
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01-16-2014, 10:25 PM
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by TheOak
I wasn't arguing with you. I was taking your point and expounding upon it.
You're right about the blocking grade. I must've been looking at the wrong row. Good catch. My mistake. It's easy to make mistakes when looking at all these numbers in all these columns. I do like to look at catch percentage. I think it's one of the most important stats for a receiver. I haven't really looked at interceptions thrown at before but it is interesting. A mistake you made was saying that there were more interceptions from throws to Jimmy Graham than anyone in the league. Actually he's in a 4 way tie at for 14th in the league at 6. Not coincidently, Graham had the 14th most balls thrown his way. AJ. Green had the lead with 12, twice as many as Graham. 6 actually isn't extremely high for the number of times he was thrown at. So thinking about it, If we look at interceptions thrown at as a percentage, things change a little. You were only using TEs as for examples and I don't feel like crunching %s for all the receivers...Jimmy was thrown at 136 times leading to 6 interceptions or 4.41% of the attempts. By comparison, Jordan Cameron 4.59% Rob Gronkowski 6.25% Owen Daniels 10.26% The vast majority of TE's are in the 3-4% range. As a comparison strictly with Drew Brees, Ben Watson's interception thrown at % is 3.57%, less than one percent difference from Graham. Some notable names that have more interceptions thrown to Graham are; A.J. Green - 12 Vincent Jackson - 10 Calvin Johnson - 10 Andre Johnson - 8 Larry Fitzgerald - 7 Hakeem Nicks - 7 So, no, I don't think it's just a coincidence that Brees throws more interceptions to Graham than anyone else on the team. Looking at the names on the list, it may be that it's more about the ball placement. Just like the guys listed above, I think Brees and the other QBs try to throw high to these big receivers to put the ball above the defenders head and as such are subject to interceptions from safetys covering over the top. As far as catch percentage goes, 63% isn't bad. Some notable names at that level or below are; Larry Fitzgerald - 63% Alshon Jeffery - 63% Brandon Marshall - 63% Andre Johnson - 62% Dez Bryant - 60% Josh Gordon - 58% Calvin Johnson - 57% AJ Green - 57% Hakeem Nicks - 57% Those are some of the best receivers in the league. Pretty good company. When we talk about his injury, I'm not a doctor so I'm not even going to pretend I know what you can or can't do when you have planters fasciitis, But I did read that it's all about pain management and maybe in his particular case, it hurts more to run for distance than one jump, but I will say if the doctors diagnose it, the media covers it, and there's a notable drop off in performance following it, I have to believe it and I think most other people would too. So to sum up this giant wall of text, after really thinking about the catch percentage and interception %, I think we can see that Graham is as good as, or better than some of the biggest name receivers in the league. And on top of all that he leads them all in Touchdown receptions. But you are right, he sucks at blocking. |
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