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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I can't tell you how much I don't care about pro football focus. I'd much rather see an actual scout's grade. But thanks for making the effort unlike most people who just say "he's good cause ...

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Old 01-23-2014, 09:48 AM   #1
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Re: Roman Harper, Zach Strief among New Orleans Saints players who might be elsewhere next season

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I can't tell you how much I don't care about pro football focus. I'd much rather see an actual scout's grade. But thanks for making the effort unlike most people who just say "he's good cause this guy or that guy said so". Just looking at those stats, 26 hurries is a lot. It's not all about how many sacks you give up. Right tackle is by far the easiest of the two tackle positions. Drew ran for his life all season long, and why do we suppose that is? And how many holding calls did both of our tackles get? A lot. They could not give drew any time when we played any kind of decent defensive line.

How does anyone watch this team and how far the offense dropped, and turn around and defend this offensive line. People need to get off their googled metrics scaling BS and get back to watching the game. We all saw what happened out there, and it was not pretty.

This team for years has had to devise blocking schemes to mask deficiencies at tackle and run a ton of screens (to the point of becoming predictable at times) to slow down the rush a little. Those things never show up in stat sheets.

I think we keep Strief simply because we can't replace two tackles at the same time. Armstead may or may not round into form, but in the meantime Brown has to go. So for the time being I expect Strief to stay. I'm just going by what I'd like to see, and I'd like to see a lot of upgrading on the line. I am well aware of the fact that not much is likely to change.
Come on... Seriously? We have had subpar tackles for "years", devised blocking schemes to mask for "years"?

As far as for your opening paragraph about PFF. You prefer a scout that should be scouting or is/had been a scout for a team that could possibly be partial grading our players? More than a 3rd party neutral company that makes its living being accurate?

You prefer a scouts opinion over an analysts methodology? Scouts are for evaluating potential talent, analysts that are impartial evaluate performance with empirical data.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:53 PM   #2
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Watch film, yeah. All that other crap is useless. Watch Strief then watch the other tackles around the league. Strief is legitimate starting tackle and I feel confident in him.
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1 - OT Moses
2 - FS Reynolds
3 - CB McGill
4 - WR Janis
5 - C Larsen
6 - TE Lynch

UDFA's - RB Cobb, OLB Fields, CB Evans, S Perry, FB Agnew, OG Morrell, WR Coles, C Allen, OT Feiler.
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Don't want anyone that gets manhandled ... Really tho
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Old 01-23-2014, 09:43 AM   #5
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^ the above stats confirm my observation that Grubbs was a bum for a big chunk of the year. You want to look at guys who underperformed, he should be one of the first.
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Can't have helped having Brown outside of him.
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Can't have helped having Brown outside of him.
...or DLP on the inside of him. I have tried stressing how much players on the offensive line are effected by the person next to them but it doesn't seem to get through.
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Can't have helped having Brown outside of him.
No doubt. But he wasn't very good in pure one-on-one situations either. He got manhandled in the Dolphins game in particular, and generally looked bad until about week 10 or so when the offensive line as a whole seemed to pick it up.

But the deal is, you're paying Grubbs $9 million a year because he is supposed to be an elite guard and a guy who helps make the players around him better. For the most part he did not do that.

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...or DLP on the inside of him. I have tried stressing how much players on the offensive line are effected by the person next to them but it doesn't seem to get through.
DLP's biggest issue to me is the communication stuff, not his blocking. You don't count on a center to do a lot of crucial blocking assignments anyway, his job is more about getting everybody set up right, pointing out blitzes, that kind of stuff. And he was certainly lacking in that, especially on the road for some reason. But not everybody can be a star; I think you need cheap mid-level guys in certain positions so you can have a viable roster under the cap, and center seems to be one of those positions league-wide where that is often the case. Price-to-performance ratio, I like the way DLP played for $2 million this year a whole lot more than the way Grubbs played for $9 million.

that is not an indictment of anybody on our line though, I really think going forward the starting 5 should stay intact. IMO, the line's real problem was scheme/coaching changes more than a talent issue, which explains why they really picked up their play in the second half of the year (Brown's struggles aside). I think a year together and another offseason will do the line as a unit a whole lot of good.
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Only took one man to break on a Anglo-Saxon shieldwall or a Spartan phalanx to collapse the line, same rules apply to the offensive line.
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I'd be fine with Strief staying with the team, but if he's looking for a big payday - then it might force the Saints' hand in making the decision to depart with him.

In any case, I'd much rather see the center position upgraded than any other on the O-line, because the inside pressure allowed by DLP this past season was unacceptable most of the time.

Oh, and I wouldn't miss Harper all that much even though he wasn't all that bad during the latter parts of the season - he's just making too much money and we can thank Gregg Williams and the labor dispute for that little gift.
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