Who to cut (cap hits included)
 

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

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I can realistically see Smith, Sproles, Greer, Thomas, Moore, and Harper all gone...

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Theres 26 million right there. Plenty of money to sign Graham and numerous others.

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We did just fine without Smith and I didn't see the LB experiment working anyway
Keep Sproles and Thomas
Assess Greers injury. His career could possibly be over anyway unfortunately
I like Moore but it may be time to move on.
Harper and Ingram can go. I actually like Harper. Our run D got much better almost instantaneously when he came back from injury. If we can find a FA upgrade that would be great
Krob is the future as our bruiser and short ydg and should replace Ingram.
I would like to see how Prob does under Ryan.

Also would it hurt us to let Jenkins go?

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What no Bunkley..... I would bring back Robinson, sproles, Moore.... No reason for the rest.... Love them all but something has got to give for us to get out of NFL debt for once....

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can I answer by saying not a damn bit...... Rookie FS.... Vaccaro SS........ Bush for depth.....

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I ****ing hate the offseason. It's posts like these that make it bearable. Thanks Danno.

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Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 GOODBYE
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000Thanks for the memories but we got to let you go. Steve has all the information you need.
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000I don't know what to do with him. I'm leaning towards "Keep"
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000Thanks PT but I need you to follow Darren
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250Follow PT and Darren
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000I like you Roman. Lets see what camp looks like
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375Keep
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500Keep

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I could see all but Thomas and Ingram gone and I'd personally drive Will Smith, Harper and Jenkins to the airport

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They're gonna keep Thomas, Sproles, & Ingram. I don't know about the rest.

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Why is everyone so eager to let pt go? Hes vital to our screen game. Did anyone see how ineffective we were trying screens without him? Plus we let him and sproles go we would need to replace both with draft picks or udfan. Unless we want to experience NFC championship at sf again.

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I think PT or Sproles leaves us.

I think PT is just not like he use to be, Sproles...........never seen much from him this season either.

Harper and Smith would be no loss either.

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Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him

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Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly.

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You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan

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Smith-gone
Sproles -has value-trade
Greer??? Could add depth if healthy
Thomas-keep
Moore- let go
Harper-keep- might look good in a 3-4
Ingram-could have break-out year if used right
Robinson-bring back

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Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is :crazy:

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Like
Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior.
Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards.
Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game.
And what are you like 12?

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I agree. He is vital when it comes to the screen and when he is out it limits our play book. We have been careful with him and used him sparingly and he has plenty left in the tank.
Odd man out is Ingram. They found a better, younger, and cheaper option in Robinson.
I dont see Sproles going anywhere either. If Cadet could do his job as well as he does then Cadet would be doing it. Sproles is a year removed from most all purpose yards and was looking to have a career year the first half of the season. I think his lack of production was because of our blocking. Our line limited every aspect of our run game.

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But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season.

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I could never see Sprouls gone
Granted, get a return man and let him focus in the offense

Pierre our most valuable back

It would cost more to get someone of equal talent to replace them

Lance has lost a step and his celebratory antics even when losing badly dont jive with the team directive

Smith - fork in him,

Harper is good in run defense but gets burnt

Loomis will surprise us

Remember he is the guy who upgraded to Graham from shockey

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other than those 77 catches?

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a question of who you want and who you need
I think we still 'need' a healthy Greer.
We want Sproles and Moore, but both had down years and can be cheaply replaced
as 'Cat said, what about Bunkley at $5 mill? got to restructure or replace

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I thought Bunkley played very well, so I don't see him as a cut candidate.

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First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point.....

Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely....

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[QUOTE=The Dude;575625]Like
Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior.
Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards.
Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game.
And what are you like 12?[/

He finish this season stronger than any of the other backs with the exception of Khiry when he got the ball. Without Ingram we definitely don't beat Philly. You must be a Ingram hater. He had his most successful year this year once he got healthy and you think the Saints are going to possibly cut him ? Good thing you aren't a GM

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Bringing up Ingram's prior years is just useless. Ingram ran the ball very well towards the end of the year, when healthy. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kinda league. Just ask Garrett Hartley. :rolleyes:

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I am a
Ingram hater.... And it's not so much hate as it is seeing him as being the long term solution at the running back position...I respect him for what he did in Philly, it took us from his rookie season until then to see any of that.... It wasn't enough for to me from trading him.( if I was a GM ) His inconsistency is what it for me.....

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5 million dollars.... With BIG Jenkins in the wings!!! You don't see him as a cut candidate... at least as a restructure candidate.....

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Why be an Ingram hater? Him and Khiry is the future for the Saints. Ingram will be even better next year

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Thank You , Ingram looked great this season.

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We need Bunkley. If we can restructure great but you need two NTs. These guys need to rotate. Jenkins was great in the beginning of the year but wore down toward the end because he played way too many downs when Bunkley was out.

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True!! I have in my mock Ra'Shede Hageman DT out of Minnesota in the first, the guy can play all 3 positions on the line and commands alot of double teams letting the lb.'s crash in also would be able to rotate with anyone on the line to give them a breather, that could be a big difference in the 3-4 rotation when we carry 6 linemen and 8 lb.

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Actually the cut him talk is warranted because both Ingram and Robinson flourished w/o Thomas. As far as the screen game, given time Ingram and Robinson can both master it, plus their running style is a welcome addition to our offense. Something we have had since 2006 Deuce. And if we can cut Deuce, we can cut Pierre.

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This is correct.

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It would cost more to cut him than to simply keep him.

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It's funny how you place a Saints jersey on a player, and it masks there deficiencies, Mark Ingram takes too long to get going...... And he has a fumbling issue.... that still remains uncorrected... That is the truth. The fact that he is in a Saints Jersey doesn't mask the problem enough for me...

Khiry Robinson..... He looks like the future of the Saints... He needs real help though ( Jeremy Hill, LSU) or ( Andre Williams, Boston College)

Mark Ingram...... He pulls you in just to let you down... Im done. If they decide to keep him it's just gonna be another agonizing up and down season..... Please cut bait and trade him...Again JMHO<<<

Pierre Thomas..... I understand the love, he's earned it, me included. But there comes a time when separation is required, this is that time. What you hear from people who wanna keep him now is " He's the best screen back we have" which is funny to me because his position is running back... For me, It's not that I don't love him.... It's just time!

Travis Cadet.... Seriously.. Did you guys realize he got a playoff carry against Seattle. I swear if you took a second to pop your popcorn you missed it. Why is he on the squad!!

Darren Sproles..... He was used less and less and less..... I believe he never fully healed from all the injuries sustained during the season, I would keep him as the backup to Khiry and ( NEW RUNNING BACK)

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Will Smith=cut only back if he would play for a vet min. contract.jabri Greer=cut he has two things against him age an a very bad torn up knee an leg.Only way back would be if would sign a vet min contract an see how his knee an leg responds,More likely he retires a saint.Between Sproles an thomas keep one cut the other.I would cut sproles as i think his skill set could be replaced with the saints last pick a 6th round pick.Bunkley we keep between him an Jenkins the Saints are set at the NT position.Moore needs to take a pay cut but only of about 33% any more saints risk him going to another team.If the saints have to franchise Jimmy is it at TE or Wr with wr being the cheaper route if it ends up in arbi court look for a split the def.- settlement.If Drew restructures contract should allow enough to pay for Jimmy an resign key players like Haralson an Stieff-punte-dawson-humber-an yes Meachem,along with RFAs like bush etc,The one player i see walking is malcolm the FS as i think another team will overspend for jenkins :bng::lightsabre:

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Two fumbles in 3 years is a fumbling issue?

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I don't think he is a fumbler, I think he is a late bloomer like McCoy from Philly. Philly was talking about letting him go at 1 time. Look at him now. Robinson and Ingram can be a fine duo this year with PT playing in a relief role. I would hate to lose PT, he would be at the least a A grade sub. Sproles I would trade.