Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite

exile · 02-11-2014, 04:19 PM

My list: Manning, Brees, Brady then Rodgers.

"Oftentimes, you will see Brees lumped in with Rodgers, Brady and Peyton. I don't think that's accurate. The 2012 campaign counts against Brees, as he struggled some without Sean Payton (posting an NFL-high 19 interceptions) and New Orleans missed the playoffs. But his numbers, wins and feel put him at this worthy slot. I actually think Brees is in his own category -- right after the elite trio and right before Roethlisberger."

QB factions: From elite to unknown, and everything in between - NFL.com

Papa Voodoo · 02-11-2014, 04:28 PM

And I think your shirt is goofy.

saintfan · 02-11-2014, 04:28 PM

This is your brain on drugs...

Danno · 02-11-2014, 04:32 PM

67 picks over the last 4 years is bad.

Fourth sounds about right.

Papa Voodoo · 02-11-2014, 04:41 PM

161 TDs and 20,435 passing yards. Fourth may be right, but lumping him with Big Ben is silly. His first SB he played like garbage and the TD was thrown by a WR.

aintasinner · 02-11-2014, 04:55 PM

Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind!

NonieT · 02-11-2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by aintasinner

Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind!

BINGO!

Danno · 02-11-2014, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by aintasinner

Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind!

You list three teams that wouldn't trade for him yet take issue he's rated fourth?

aintasinner · 02-12-2014, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

You list three teams that wouldn't trade for him yet take issue he's rated fourth?

One of the teams I listed, the Seahawks, have a second year QB who may or may not become elite. I suspect that they would trade for him, too, if they weren't coming off a Super Bowl win. So, yes, I think he deserves to be ranked higher. Also, I think the Broncos, led by Manning, should come under the same scrutiny that Brees has come under; Peyton has post season issues and is still considered elite while Brees has "a bad" 2012 season and the writer considers him unworthy of being elite. Remember, one of the Super Bowls Manning lost was to the Saints and in the one he won, I believe he threw for 239 yards; easily just a first half for Brees. Just saying, apply the same leeway to all of the guys discussed and Brees is elite, too.

xan · 02-11-2014, 04:58 PM

Or fatty lice, or Joe Fluccko or Andrew Luck, or Scum Newton, or Punkernick.

None would trade for him, so at best he's top 10.

02-11-2014, 04:19 PM	#1
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite My list: Manning, Brees, Brady then Rodgers. "Oftentimes, you will see Brees lumped in with Rodgers, Brady and Peyton. I don't think that's accurate. The 2012 campaign counts against Brees, as he struggled some without Sean Payton (posting an NFL-high 19 interceptions) and New Orleans missed the playoffs. But his numbers, wins and feel put him at this worthy slot. I actually think Brees is in his own category -- right after the elite trio and right before Roethlisberger." QB factions: From elite to unknown, and everything in between - NFL.com
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02-11-2014, 04:28 PM	#2
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite And I think your shirt is goofy.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite 67 picks over the last 4 years is bad. Fourth sounds about right. RockyMountainSaint and SaintsBro like this.

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite 161 TDs and 20,435 passing yards. Fourth may be right, but lumping him with Big Ben is silly. His first SB he played like garbage and the TD was thrown by a WR. aintasinner likes this.

02-11-2014, 04:55 PM	#6
aintasinner Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 161	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind! saintsfan1976, Donuts32 and exile like this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite Originally Posted by aintasinner Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind! BINGO!
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02-11-2014, 07:47 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite Originally Posted by aintasinner Brees threw 19 interceptions in 2012 but he also threw 43 TDs. He threw for over 5000 yds without his head coach and under the guidance of an interim to the interim head coach who was also out for a half season. The GM was missing for about half a season also. Rodgers spent this year injured and Peyton Manning just lost his second out of three Super Bowls he has played in. Do we not count Peyton's post season failures or Rodgers' injuries but we count Drew's one "bad" season against him in determining if he is elite? Ask any team not named Seahawks, Patriots, or Broncos if they want to trade their QB for Drew and let's see how many of them suddenly think he is elite. Fourth place my sweet behind! You list three teams that wouldn't trade for him yet take issue he's rated fourth?

02-12-2014, 07:02 AM	#9
aintasinner Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 161	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite Originally Posted by Danno You list three teams that wouldn't trade for him yet take issue he's rated fourth? One of the teams I listed, the Seahawks, have a second year QB who may or may not become elite. I suspect that they would trade for him, too, if they weren't coming off a Super Bowl win. So, yes, I think he deserves to be ranked higher. Also, I think the Broncos, led by Manning, should come under the same scrutiny that Brees has come under; Peyton has post season issues and is still considered elite while Brees has "a bad" 2012 season and the writer considers him unworthy of being elite. Remember, one of the Super Bowls Manning lost was to the Saints and in the one he won, I believe he threw for 239 yards; easily just a first half for Brees. Just saying, apply the same leeway to all of the guys discussed and Brees is elite, too.

02-11-2014, 04:58 PM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Adam Schein: Drew Brees Isn't Elite Or fatty lice, or Joe Fluccko or Andrew Luck, or Scum Newton, or Punkernick. None would trade for him, so at best he's top 10.

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