WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?

TheOak · 03-07-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

WHAT IF? What if Grandma had nuts then she'd be Grandpa ..... **** offseason

You wouldn't be posting if you had 2 grandpas.. Just thought I would point out that giving your aunt ballz allows you to exist

The Dude · 03-08-2014, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I don't want to pay thru the nose for the guy. He isn't the "beast" he used to be and people can easily remove him from the game now. Although it takes a good DB... but it can be done.

Yea I feel the same. IF he gets WR designation and wants Megatron money I say we try and work out a deal with another team to sign and trade him if that can be done.

lee909 · 03-08-2014, 05:15 AM

We would have to eat the guaranteed money in any deal though wouldn't we?

Danno · 03-08-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

We would have to eat the guaranteed money in any deal though wouldn't we?

A sign and trade won't work because as you said, the bonus money would stay with us, and I expect it will be in the 20 million range.

TheOak · 03-10-2014, 07:20 PM

All guaranteed money stays with the home team. Signing bonus and Franchise Tag monies are guaranteed.

ikecomp · 03-12-2014, 03:01 PM

I'm down with whatever decision works best for the saints. I don't want to pay out the arse for him but I don't want him to walk for nothing. If the differences in money between letting him go elsewhere and keeping him are negligible I say keep him.

hagan714 · 03-19-2014, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

We would have to eat the guaranteed money in any deal though wouldn't we?

there are ways around this issue. not sure what the new collective bargaining agreement is like but you use to be able to have the other team just sign that will take the entire new contract as part of the deal. i can not imagine that has changed.

If you cut a player all the money sticks with the original team. if the player signs for less your on the hook for the balance. ie Mecheam via the chargers.

TheOak · 03-19-2014, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

there are ways around this issue. not sure what the new collective bargaining agreement is like but you use to be able to have the other team just sign that will take the entire new contract as part of the deal. i can not imagine that has changed.

If you cut a player all the money sticks with the original team. if the player signs for less your on the hook for the balance. ie Mecheam via the chargers.

No sir, on all accounts.

Guaranteed money/Signing bonus is not split between terms, can't be bartered away, there are no deals, never was. The source is quoted here in these forums no less than a dozen times.

Signing bonus and guaranteed money are owned and paid by the home team, no way around it, can't be traded or agreed to away.

No way around the dead money hit.

There was no split of Meachems contract, the Chargers released him and had to eat $6.85m of dead money, once released that contract was history. Saints deal was a new deal and had nothing to do with the cancelled Chargers contract.

Trade - split difference in contract value EXCEPT guaranteed and signing bonus they are dead money.

Cut/Releases - contract over, no difference to pick up or split, home team eats dead money for guaranteed/signing bonus (Meachem).

Danno · 03-19-2014, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

No sir, on all accounts.

Guaranteed money/Signing bonus is not split between terms, can't be bartered away, there are no deals, never was. The source is quoted here in these forums no less than a dozen times.

Signing bonus and guaranteed money are owned and paid by the home team, no way around it, can't be traded or agreed to away.

No way around the dead money hit.

There was no split of Meachems contract, the Chargers released him and had to eat $6.85m of dead money, once released that contract was history. Saints deal was a new deal and had nothing to do with the cancelled Chargers contract.

Trade - split difference in contract value EXCEPT guaranteed and signing bonus they are dead money.

Cut/Releases - contract over, no difference to pick up or split, home team eats dead money for guaranteed/signing bonus (Meachem).

The only way around that (and its not really going around it) is for the other team to compensate for the home teams dead money hit by offering a draft pick(s).

The new team doesn't have to pay the dead money, but gives up draft picks
The old team eats the dead money, but gets a pick or two to compensate.

TheOak · 03-19-2014, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

The only way around that (and its not really going around it) is for the other team to compensate for the home teams dead money hit by offering a draft pick(s).

The new team doesn't have to pay the dead money, but gives up draft picks

The old team eats the dead money, but gets a pick or two to compensate.

Team of origin/old team/team that the contract was written with, in our case Saints can not shed or trade away dead money hit for signing bonus, guaranteed money.

Yes, the new team can try and off set the lost cap space value with picks but nothing makes that dead money go away except the end of that season.

Point being that Hagen said something could be done about the dead money hit, and that isn't correct.

Teams can give or trade just about anything..... But the dead money for signing bonuses and guaranteed portions of contracts.

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03-07-2014, 12:26 PM	#51
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 WHAT IF? What if Grandma had nuts then she'd be Grandpa ..... **** offseason You wouldn't be posting if you had 2 grandpas.. Just thought I would point out that giving your aunt ballz allows you to exist

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Jamessr I don't want to pay thru the nose for the guy. He isn't the "beast" he used to be and people can easily remove him from the game now. Although it takes a good DB... but it can be done. Yea I feel the same. IF he gets WR designation and wants Megatron money I say we try and work out a deal with another team to sign and trade him if that can be done.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by lee909 We would have to eat the guaranteed money in any deal though wouldn't we? there are ways around this issue. not sure what the new collective bargaining agreement is like but you use to be able to have the other team just sign that will take the entire new contract as part of the deal. i can not imagine that has changed. If you cut a player all the money sticks with the original team. if the player signs for less your on the hook for the balance. ie Mecheam via the chargers.

03-19-2014, 06:53 AM	#58
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by hagan714 there are ways around this issue. not sure what the new collective bargaining agreement is like but you use to be able to have the other team just sign that will take the entire new contract as part of the deal. i can not imagine that has changed. If you cut a player all the money sticks with the original team. if the player signs for less your on the hook for the balance. ie Mecheam via the chargers. No sir, on all accounts. Guaranteed money/Signing bonus is not split between terms, can't be bartered away, there are no deals, never was. The source is quoted here in these forums no less than a dozen times. Signing bonus and guaranteed money are owned and paid by the home team, no way around it, can't be traded or agreed to away. No way around the dead money hit. There was no split of Meachems contract, the Chargers released him and had to eat $6.85m of dead money, once released that contract was history. Saints deal was a new deal and had nothing to do with the cancelled Chargers contract. Trade - split difference in contract value EXCEPT guaranteed and signing bonus they are dead money. Cut/Releases - contract over, no difference to pick up or split, home team eats dead money for guaranteed/signing bonus (Meachem).
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03-19-2014, 09:49 AM	#59
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by TheOak No sir, on all accounts. Guaranteed money/Signing bonus is not split between terms, can't be bartered away, there are no deals, never was. The source is quoted here in these forums no less than a dozen times. Signing bonus and guaranteed money are owned and paid by the home team, no way around it, can't be traded or agreed to away. No way around the dead money hit. There was no split of Meachems contract, the Chargers released him and had to eat $6.85m of dead money, once released that contract was history. Saints deal was a new deal and had nothing to do with the cancelled Chargers contract. Trade - split difference in contract value EXCEPT guaranteed and signing bonus they are dead money. Cut/Releases - contract over, no difference to pick up or split, home team eats dead money for guaranteed/signing bonus (Meachem). The only way around that (and its not really going around it) is for the other team to compensate for the home teams dead money hit by offering a draft pick(s). The new team doesn't have to pay the dead money, but gives up draft picks The old team eats the dead money, but gets a pick or two to compensate.

03-19-2014, 10:07 AM	#60
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Danno The only way around that (and its not really going around it) is for the other team to compensate for the home teams dead money hit by offering a draft pick(s). The new team doesn't have to pay the dead money, but gives up draft picks The old team eats the dead money, but gets a pick or two to compensate. Team of origin/old team/team that the contract was written with, in our case Saints can not shed or trade away dead money hit for signing bonus, guaranteed money. Yes, the new team can try and off set the lost cap space value with picks but nothing makes that dead money go away except the end of that season. Point being that Hagen said something could be done about the dead money hit, and that isn't correct. Teams can give or trade just about anything..... But the dead money for signing bonuses and guaranteed portions of contracts.
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