WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?

blackangold · 02-22-2014, 07:38 PM

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

rezburna · 02-22-2014, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

Bingo.

ChrisXVI · 02-22-2014, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

Fantastic post... Spot on. If we pay him $10 million/year or more then I will be very disappointed in Loomis.

papz · 02-24-2014, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

We also had a top offense with Aaron Brooks as well. So I guess we don't really "need" Drew Brees either. We had a top 5 offense without a bonafide WR1, do we really "need" to sign/draft one? We had a top 5 offense with DLP at C, do we really "need" to upgrade? We had a top 5 offense with Pete Carmichael, do we really "need" Sean Payton?

In a sense I get what you're saying. For the most part, I've always felt like practically everyone is replaceable. But you don't just let your best offensive weapon entering his prime walk away over a few million dollars. I don't understand why people are acting like signing Graham will financially cripple us. While we may technically not need Graham to remain a top 5 offense, I guarantee you our front office and Drew Brees feels otherwise. When he signs his contract, whether be the franchise tag or a long term deal, that should speaks volumes of whether or not he's "needed".

He's going to get paid... a lot of money.

Saintaintso · 02-22-2014, 09:00 PM

Trade him for the 8th and pick Khalil or Clowney if available ...

lee909 · 02-23-2014, 04:18 AM

I'm not saying i wouldn't let Graham go as if the money isnt right i think you have too and i know that Shockey played as a more traditional TE but even in his best three years his stats are not a patch on Graham.
45 Games-2189 yards-20 TDs.

halloween 65 · 02-23-2014, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I'm not saying i wouldn't let Graham go as if the money isnt right i think you have too and i know that Shockey played as a more traditional TE but even in his best three years his stats are not a patch on Graham.
45 Games-2189 yards-20 TDs.

Yes you are right but what would the stats looked like if he was in our system the entire time. We will never know. Shockey played with heart, I just don't see that in Graham. Graham sometimes thinks he should get a flag thrown like he's still on a basketball court looking for a fowl and doesn't try to get open after that, gives up. The man towers over DB's and doesn't play pysicall, to me you can't teach that either you have it or you don't.

hagan714 · 02-23-2014, 04:55 AM

smart move is tag him no matter the cost

entertain any and all offers on a trade at this point.

if no trade is out there you have to cut/trade any player you need to make it work.

wheel and deal in the draft to plug holes.

simply put Graham is too valuable of a trading chip to let walk.

now if you can not move him in 2014 you can fall back on the fact that in 2015 Drew can redo his contract and the cap will go up. so a long term deal is possible.

but the 2014 season is in the tank unless you can pull off an unbelievable draft and obtain more picks than we have now and get some solid day one starters. This is one of the best drafts in years. starts can be had into the 4th round. so if the saints go this route the draft is there to make it work. Now with 20 million tied up on offense the saints must draft OL to protect that investment. Because we will not be able to sign our FA OL. i just do not see that in the cards.

the cuts will be many and will hurt.
No FA signings
The draft will be key to salvaging the 2014 season and saving this team

TheOak · 02-23-2014, 05:00 AM

His momma called him a Tight End, imma call him a Tight End.

halloween 65 · 02-23-2014, 05:24 AM

All of you are up to early, it's my bedtime after night shift, got to go, bye!! Oh by the way that was funny.

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02-22-2014, 07:38 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. ChrisXVI, rezburna, amazin15 and 1 others like this.

02-22-2014, 09:32 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,126	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. Bingo.

02-22-2014, 09:44 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. Fantastic post... Spot on. If we pay him $10 million/year or more then I will be very disappointed in Loomis.

02-24-2014, 11:53 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. We also had a top offense with Aaron Brooks as well. So I guess we don't really "need" Drew Brees either. We had a top 5 offense without a bonafide WR1, do we really "need" to sign/draft one? We had a top 5 offense with DLP at C, do we really "need" to upgrade? We had a top 5 offense with Pete Carmichael, do we really "need" Sean Payton? In a sense I get what you're saying. For the most part, I've always felt like practically everyone is replaceable. But you don't just let your best offensive weapon entering his prime walk away over a few million dollars. I don't understand why people are acting like signing Graham will financially cripple us. While we may technically not need Graham to remain a top 5 offense, I guarantee you our front office and Drew Brees feels otherwise. When he signs his contract, whether be the franchise tag or a long term deal, that should speaks volumes of whether or not he's "needed". He's going to get paid... a lot of money.
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02-22-2014, 09:00 PM	#5
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02-23-2014, 04:18 AM	#6
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02-23-2014, 04:39 AM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by lee909 I'm not saying i wouldn't let Graham go as if the money isnt right i think you have too and i know that Shockey played as a more traditional TE but even in his best three years his stats are not a patch on Graham. 45 Games-2189 yards-20 TDs. Yes you are right but what would the stats looked like if he was in our system the entire time. We will never know. Shockey played with heart, I just don't see that in Graham. Graham sometimes thinks he should get a flag thrown like he's still on a basketball court looking for a fowl and doesn't try to get open after that, gives up. The man towers over DB's and doesn't play pysicall, to me you can't teach that either you have it or you don't.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? smart move is tag him no matter the cost entertain any and all offers on a trade at this point. if no trade is out there you have to cut/trade any player you need to make it work. wheel and deal in the draft to plug holes. simply put Graham is too valuable of a trading chip to let walk. now if you can not move him in 2014 you can fall back on the fact that in 2015 Drew can redo his contract and the cap will go up. so a long term deal is possible. but the 2014 season is in the tank unless you can pull off an unbelievable draft and obtain more picks than we have now and get some solid day one starters. This is one of the best drafts in years. starts can be had into the 4th round. so if the saints go this route the draft is there to make it work. Now with 20 million tied up on offense the saints must draft OL to protect that investment. Because we will not be able to sign our FA OL. i just do not see that in the cards. the cuts will be many and will hurt. No FA signings The draft will be key to salvaging the 2014 season and saving this team
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