Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 580257)

It would be interesting to see other TE stats of lining up over the past two years.
Vernon Davis, Gronk,Hernandez, Gonzalez, Jordan Cameron, Thomas at Denver all played a major part in receiving.

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 580257)

It would be interesting to see other TE stats of lining up over the past two years.
Vernon Davis, Gronk,Hernandez, Gonzalez, Jordan Cameron, Thomas at Denver all played a major part in receiving.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 580256)

Nope, that is exactly what a modern-day tight end looks like.

Cue "The Autumn Wind", and James Earl Jones goes on to explain the evolution of the game and it's players.

Then I go on to explain that I am the arbitrator and that this has nothing to do with what Jimmy Graham is but what the Modern-Day definition of a Tight End is. I will also go on about precedent and that JG set that when he allowed himself to be Drafted, Put in record books, play, draw a pay check, and go to a pro-bowl as a Tight End. In today's NFL many positions are dual roll and Jimmy is no more a wide receiver than Darren Sproles is, even though both spent more time receiving.


Did you pull that reference out of thin air?
It's Article 10, Section 2(a)(i) and it doesn't say "lined up", it says "at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year.” Things change between line-up and snap.

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 580267)

Just shows the evolution of the position.It might explain Loomis confidence in the TE tag.

One third of TE lining up in slot, pro bowl at TE, drafted as a TE.


When I see a bird that*walks like a duck*and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck. ”*

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 580264)

I've read a couple sports writers reference the "modern day tight end" designation as a possibility but it will require that the arbitrator makes a kind of new position. One in which tight end doesn't mean the player lines up tight on the end of the line. Who knows, could happen.

And no, I didn't pull it out of thin air. It's in the NFL CBA. You can read it here. Kinda dry though.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

Article 10 section 9 is on page 49. The section I quoted is right about the middle of the page. "...above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior League Year"

Article 10 section 2 also says "... at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year,

Looks like it says it twice.

I don't know man, saying things change between line up and snap seems like a pretty big reach to me.

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 580283)

I could see a clearer distinction made for a few positions DE-LB, running vs receiving RB's, NT-DT. Take the gray area out of the Tag

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 580287)

Not a bad idea. LT's, OG's, OC's, RT's, DE's, DT's DE/OLB's, MLB, OLB, FS, and SS's should all be separated.



Here's how it is now...



Quarterback - $16,912,000

Offensive Linemen (includes Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Center) -$11,654,000

Wide Receiver -$12,312,000

Running Back (includes all Fullbacks and Halfbacks) - $9,540,000

Tight End - $7,035,000

Defensive End - $13,116,000

Defensive Tackle - $9,654,000

Linebacker - $11,455,000

Cornerback - $11,834,000

Safety - $8,433,000

Kicker or Punter $3,556,000

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 580272)

Is my math incorrect or does he actually not take more snaps at slot than TE? He ran 538 routes only 268 in the slot. 134 targets 67 @ slot.