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CheramieIII 02-26-2014 10:41 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
time to say bye bye and start looking to sign a good FA TE or draft one. Sign and trade him for a first

NonieT 02-26-2014 10:51 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
We could tag him with the non-exclusive tag, or just let him walk. He is not worth 12 mil a season. Not TE or WR is.

Jack Vegas 02-26-2014 10:57 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 579612)
I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread.

Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout.
You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay.

AsylumGuido 02-26-2014 11:14 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.

Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end.

This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant.

RaginCajun83 02-26-2014 11:16 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Argh effing offseason

lee909 02-26-2014 11:17 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
I do not agree that Houston would give up their first rounder for Graham.The need a QB and they already have Owen Daniels and Garret Graham on the roster.They have bigger needs than a new TE.

Jack Vegas 02-26-2014 11:20 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 579626)
Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.
I agree with this. There is going to be a lot of posturing from both sides. They will eventually get a reasonable deal done. I think we're all just thinking worst-case scenario.

Danno 02-26-2014 11:20 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 579626)
Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.

Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end.

This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant.
Correct, I should have titled this thread "Jimmy Sexton demanding 12 million per season".

SmashMouth 02-26-2014 11:20 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
It might as well be this ...

http://techcitement.com/admin/wp-con...06/dr-evil.jpg

TheOak 02-26-2014 11:27 AM
Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 579624)
You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay.
Read what you quoted. "He walks home as a hold out". The player can refuse to sign the tender which is what Drew Brees did.

Brees and Grahams situations are not that different except few people wanted to let Brees go. They both had unresolved issues concerning their tag going into it. Jimmy is the TE/WR issue, and Drew had the 2nd ve 1st Tag issue.

"When tagged, players have few options. They can sign the tender, as Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson did earlier this offseason, and hope that negotiations on a new deal will continue in earnest, which, for Jackson, they did. They can sign it, take the cash and hope for the best in the next offseason. Or they can refuse to sign the tender and try to force the team's hand by holding out."
The franchise tag is a tender issue for NFL stars - ESPN


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