PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014?

TheOak · 02-28-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

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Discussed this ad nauseum, if we'd not run out of running backs we could have kept possibly run out the clock or at the least had more balance in the offense...

Maybe you didnt discuss it enough because we didnt run out of backs in that game. When your last possession is a TD with 1:34 left on the clock, you cant run the clock out, you don't have the ball.

You had 3 backs for that game anyway, how many do you need? You think using a 4th running back would have bade a difference? Jones, Bush, Evans
Only players injured in that game were Obomanu and henderson.

This season we would have Collins, K. Robinson, Ingram, and Cadet = 4

In 2010 we went through 10 RBs on the roster, 1-2 more would have not made a difference.

Danno · 02-28-2014, 08:06 AM

Looks like there are a ton of good scat back Sproles types in this draft.
I think we may target one late in the draft, if they're BPA when we pick.

To me, both PT and Sproles looked like they're starting to slow down a bit. Not a whole lot, but they aren't getting any younger.

lee909 · 02-28-2014, 08:13 AM

Could save over $6ml in cap cutting both Sproles and Thomas.

jeanpierre · 02-28-2014, 04:14 PM

Here's our RB situation...

Pierre Thomas, 29 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $2.9 mil Cap Number, $2.9mil Cap Savings, $0mil Dead Money
Darren Sproles, 30 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $4.25mil Cap Number, $3.5mil Cap Savings, $0.75mil Dead Money
Mark Ingram, 24 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $2.36mil Cap Number, $1.38mil Cap Savings, $0.98mil Dead Money (rounded figures)
Khiry Robinson, 24 yrs, Contract through 2015, $495,333 Cap Number, $494,666 Cap Savings, $667 Dead Money
Travaris Cadet, 25 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $571,668 Cap Number, $570,000 Cap Savings, $1,668 Dead Money

So we have five (5) running backs under contract with four (4) of those contracts expiring after this upcoming season...

Two (2) of those running backs will be 30+ years old at the end of the season...

Two (2) of the younger running backs had a strong finish to last season and playoffs but have no history of doing it for all 16 games with 10+ touches per game...

So with the Saints offense, multiple schemes, multiple roles, multiple responsibilities, and four (4) of the five (5) RBs in the last year of their contracts, would it not be prudent to acquire one (1) even two (2) RBs this season to compete and acclimate to the Saints offense...

No one's necessarily hating on the amazing resumes of PT or Sproles here in New Orleans - it's just reality of age and NFL economics are dictating something should be done this season...

jeanpierre · 03-07-2014, 08:32 PM

Here's our RB situation... (UPDATED)

Pierre Thomas, 29 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $2.9 mil Cap Number, $2.9mil Cap Savings, $0mil Dead Money
Darren Sproles, 30 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $4.25mil Cap Number, $3.5mil Cap Savings, $0.75mil Dead Money [GONE]
Mark Ingram, 24 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $2.36mil Cap Number, $1.38mil Cap Savings, $0.98mil Dead Money (rounded figures)
Khiry Robinson, 24 yrs, Contract through 2015, $495,333 Cap Number, $494,666 Cap Savings, $667 Dead Money
Travaris Cadet, 25 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $571,668 Cap Number, $570,000 Cap Savings, $1,668 Dead Money

So we have five (5) running backs under contract with four (4) of those contracts expiring after this upcoming season...

Two (2) of those running backs will be 30+ years old at the end of the season...

Two (2) of the younger running backs had a strong finish to last season and playoffs but have no history of doing it for all 16 games with 10+ touches per game...

So with the Saints offense, multiple schemes, multiple roles, multiple responsibilities, and four (4) of the five (5) RBs in the last year of their contracts, would it not be prudent to acquire one (1) even two (2) RBs this season to compete and acclimate to the Saints offense...

No one's necessarily hating on the amazing resumes of PT or Sproles here in New Orleans - it's just reality of age and NFL economics are dictating something should be done this season...

hagan714 · 02-28-2014, 04:36 PM

K. Robinson replaces P. Thomas ?????????????

not really the swap you want, Robinson replaces Ingram. power backs as of now neither has shown really any value in the passing game. right now this is the only change that makes sense. If you draft Bishop Sankey then you have a power back that replaces Ingram and puts serious pressure on Robinson and probably PT.

Cadet replaces Sproles ???????

Cadet has not really stepped up his game so i really do not see the roster spot for him

Darrins replacement? thats a hard one.

PT replacement i would have to bring in Simms/white for that and go a year to make sure. they get cadets spot. now next year if all goes well you can decide on who stays or goes

But to make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz.

Blocking and receiving are key in our offense. 3rd down style back is such a key component in our system.

must do all three well - Run Catch and Block

running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change.

the least amount of impact to our system would be
replacing ingram with Sankey
replace cadet with Simms or White (bit riskier move)
Let the year play out and see what happens

lets make it easy PT and darrin retire next year leaving us with
Robinson, Shankey. Simms/white

jeanpierre · 02-28-2014, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz.

Blocking is key in our offense. running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change.

3rd down style back is such a key component in our system.

must do all three well - Run Catch and Block

halloween 65 · 02-28-2014, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

K. Robinson replaces P. Thomas ?????????????

not really the swap you want, Robinson replaces Ingram. power backs as of now neither has shown really any value in the passing game. right now this is the only change that makes sense. If you draft Bishop Sankey then you have a power back that replaces Ingram and puts serious pressure on Robinson and probably PT.

Cadet replaces Sproles ???????

Cadet has not really stepped up his game so i really do not see the roster spot for him

Darrins replacement? thats a hard one.

PT replacement i would have to bring in Simms/white for that and go a year to make sure. they get cadets spot. now next year if all goes well you can decide on who stays or goes

But to make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz.

Blocking and receiving are key in our offense. 3rd down style back is such a key component in our system.

must do all three well - Run Catch and Block

running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change.

the least amount of impact to our system would be
replacing ingram with Sankey
replace cadet with Simms or White (bit riskier move)
Let the year play out and see what happens

lets make it easy PT and darrin retire next year leaving us with
Robinson, Shankey. Simms/white

You could trade Sproles and get a possible 3rd or a sure 4th and pick up a pretty good back with that pick.
Cadet - he has shown me nothing other than taking up space on the roster. A good return man could easily take his slot, not necessarily a RB. but a young reciever
Pt - who has a complete game could be used as a situational back while Robinson, Ingram , and the back we got with the Sproles pick would do fine.
Myself I would like another power back instead of a (Sproles, Bush) type. Smash mouth opens up the throwing lanes better than the cute screen game we have. To beat teams like Seattle we have to play smash mouth football!!

hagan714 · 03-02-2014, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Myself I would like another power back instead of a (Sproles, Bush) type. Smash mouth opens up the throwing lanes better than the cute screen game we have. To beat teams like Seattle we have to play smash mouth football!!

then you should like Bishop Sankey the most of the group. He should be had in probably the bottom of round 2. nice thing about him he is a much better reciever than either Ingram or Robinson. which is good because you pick among the three after 2014.

in all odds he would take the pressure off signing Ingram in 2015. if you really are solid on shankey on draft day Ingram becomes excellent trade bait, last year of his contract and all. the saints can package ingram for for a pick and player combo trade.

either way it offers flexibility options for dealing with the cap this year and next

thats what the saints need.

now if the saints land shankey and say the saints love the kid. Options open up and they could package Ingram/Sproils in one of those funky trade with picks and players and also end up with Sims/white later in draft. i perfer Sims

If the gamble pays off and both of the rookies work out great in 2014 the saints would be sitting pretty cap wise in 2015 as far as the RB position goes. No pressure to sign players or cut players. you would be saving money going into the 2015 off season at the RB position.

It's all a gamble but when your hampered by the cap you gotta take some risks. this year is looks to be a good year to gamble at RB because the RB styles fit the saints mold

Boutte · 02-28-2014, 09:09 PM

What if they aren't as good when they start playing with the big boys? That happens a lot.

02-28-2014, 12:26 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Seahawks stun Saints in a classic \| ProFootballTalk Discussed this ad nauseum, if we'd not run out of running backs we could have kept possibly run out the clock or at the least had more balance in the offense... Maybe you didnt discuss it enough because we didnt run out of backs in that game. When your last possession is a TD with 1:34 left on the clock, you cant run the clock out, you don't have the ball. You had 3 backs for that game anyway, how many do you need? You think using a 4th running back would have bade a difference? Jones, Bush, Evans Only players injured in that game were Obomanu and henderson. This season we would have Collins, K. Robinson, Ingram, and Cadet = 4 In 2010 we went through 10 RBs on the roster, 1-2 more would have not made a difference.
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02-28-2014, 08:06 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Looks like there are a ton of good scat back Sproles types in this draft. I think we may target one late in the draft, if they're BPA when we pick. To me, both PT and Sproles looked like they're starting to slow down a bit. Not a whole lot, but they aren't getting any younger.

02-28-2014, 08:13 AM	#3
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02-28-2014, 04:14 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Here's our RB situation... Pierre Thomas, 29 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $2.9 mil Cap Number, $2.9mil Cap Savings, $0mil Dead Money Darren Sproles, 30 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $4.25mil Cap Number, $3.5mil Cap Savings, $0.75mil Dead Money Mark Ingram, 24 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $2.36mil Cap Number, $1.38mil Cap Savings, $0.98mil Dead Money (rounded figures) Khiry Robinson, 24 yrs, Contract through 2015, $495,333 Cap Number, $494,666 Cap Savings, $667 Dead Money Travaris Cadet, 25 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $571,668 Cap Number, $570,000 Cap Savings, $1,668 Dead Money So we have five (5) running backs under contract with four (4) of those contracts expiring after this upcoming season... Two (2) of those running backs will be 30+ years old at the end of the season... Two (2) of the younger running backs had a strong finish to last season and playoffs but have no history of doing it for all 16 games with 10+ touches per game... So with the Saints offense, multiple schemes, multiple roles, multiple responsibilities, and four (4) of the five (5) RBs in the last year of their contracts, would it not be prudent to acquire one (1) even two (2) RBs this season to compete and acclimate to the Saints offense... No one's necessarily hating on the amazing resumes of PT or Sproles here in New Orleans - it's just reality of age and NFL economics are dictating something should be done this season... foreverfan and Rugby Saint II like this.
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03-07-2014, 08:32 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Here's our RB situation... (UPDATED) Pierre Thomas, 29 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $2.9 mil Cap Number, $2.9mil Cap Savings, $0mil Dead Money Darren Sproles, 30 yrs, Last Year of Contract, $4.25mil Cap Number, $3.5mil Cap Savings, $0.75mil Dead Money [GONE] Mark Ingram, 24 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $2.36mil Cap Number, $1.38mil Cap Savings, $0.98mil Dead Money (rounded figures) Khiry Robinson, 24 yrs, Contract through 2015, $495,333 Cap Number, $494,666 Cap Savings, $667 Dead Money Travaris Cadet, 25 yrs, Last Year of Rookie Contract, $571,668 Cap Number, $570,000 Cap Savings, $1,668 Dead Money So we have five (5) running backs under contract with four (4) of those contracts expiring after this upcoming season... Two (2) of those running backs will be 30+ years old at the end of the season... Two (2) of the younger running backs had a strong finish to last season and playoffs but have no history of doing it for all 16 games with 10+ touches per game... So with the Saints offense, multiple schemes, multiple roles, multiple responsibilities, and four (4) of the five (5) RBs in the last year of their contracts, would it not be prudent to acquire one (1) even two (2) RBs this season to compete and acclimate to the Saints offense... No one's necessarily hating on the amazing resumes of PT or Sproles here in New Orleans - it's just reality of age and NFL economics are dictating something should be done this season... Crusader, foreverfan and kcsaints like this.
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02-28-2014, 04:36 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? K. Robinson replaces P. Thomas ????????????? not really the swap you want, Robinson replaces Ingram. power backs as of now neither has shown really any value in the passing game. right now this is the only change that makes sense. If you draft Bishop Sankey then you have a power back that replaces Ingram and puts serious pressure on Robinson and probably PT. Cadet replaces Sproles ??????? Cadet has not really stepped up his game so i really do not see the roster spot for him Darrins replacement? thats a hard one. PT replacement i would have to bring in Simms/white for that and go a year to make sure. they get cadets spot. now next year if all goes well you can decide on who stays or goes But to make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz. Blocking and receiving are key in our offense. 3rd down style back is such a key component in our system. must do all three well - Run Catch and Block running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change. the least amount of impact to our system would be replacing ingram with Sankey replace cadet with Simms or White (bit riskier move) Let the year play out and see what happens lets make it easy PT and darrin retire next year leaving us with Robinson, Shankey. Simms/white jeanpierre and MarchingOn like this.
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02-28-2014, 04:43 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Originally Posted by hagan714 make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz. Blocking is key in our offense. running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change. 3rd down style back is such a key component in our system. must do all three well - Run Catch and Block

02-28-2014, 07:47 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Originally Posted by hagan714 K. Robinson replaces P. Thomas ????????????? not really the swap you want, Robinson replaces Ingram. power backs as of now neither has shown really any value in the passing game. right now this is the only change that makes sense. If you draft Bishop Sankey then you have a power back that replaces Ingram and puts serious pressure on Robinson and probably PT. Cadet replaces Sproles ??????? Cadet has not really stepped up his game so i really do not see the roster spot for him Darrins replacement? thats a hard one. PT replacement i would have to bring in Simms/white for that and go a year to make sure. they get cadets spot. now next year if all goes well you can decide on who stays or goes But to make a whole sale change in the backfield this year is way to risky with OC and ROT up in the air. do not mess drew up with a player that can not pick up the blitz. Blocking and receiving are key in our offense. 3rd down style back is such a key component in our system. must do all three well - Run Catch and Block running is an accent that you want to perfect but in no way do you risk drew with a whole sale change. the least amount of impact to our system would be replacing ingram with Sankey replace cadet with Simms or White (bit riskier move) Let the year play out and see what happens lets make it easy PT and darrin retire next year leaving us with Robinson, Shankey. Simms/white You could trade Sproles and get a possible 3rd or a sure 4th and pick up a pretty good back with that pick. Cadet - he has shown me nothing other than taking up space on the roster. A good return man could easily take his slot, not necessarily a RB. but a young reciever Pt - who has a complete game could be used as a situational back while Robinson, Ingram , and the back we got with the Sproles pick would do fine. Myself I would like another power back instead of a (Sproles, Bush) type. Smash mouth opens up the throwing lanes better than the cute screen game we have. To beat teams like Seattle we have to play smash mouth football!!

03-02-2014, 03:41 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PT23 and Sprolles Replacement 2014? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Myself I would like another power back instead of a (Sproles, Bush) type. Smash mouth opens up the throwing lanes better than the cute screen game we have. To beat teams like Seattle we have to play smash mouth football!! then you should like Bishop Sankey the most of the group. He should be had in probably the bottom of round 2. nice thing about him he is a much better reciever than either Ingram or Robinson. which is good because you pick among the three after 2014. in all odds he would take the pressure off signing Ingram in 2015. if you really are solid on shankey on draft day Ingram becomes excellent trade bait, last year of his contract and all. the saints can package ingram for for a pick and player combo trade. either way it offers flexibility options for dealing with the cap this year and next thats what the saints need. now if the saints land shankey and say the saints love the kid. Options open up and they could package Ingram/Sproils in one of those funky trade with picks and players and also end up with Sims/white later in draft. i perfer Sims If the gamble pays off and both of the rookies work out great in 2014 the saints would be sitting pretty cap wise in 2015 as far as the RB position goes. No pressure to sign players or cut players. you would be saving money going into the 2015 off season at the RB position. It's all a gamble but when your hampered by the cap you gotta take some risks. this year is looks to be a good year to gamble at RB because the RB styles fit the saints mold Rugby Saint II and halloween 65 like this.
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