Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense

Danno · 04-01-2014, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

And 9 more undrafted.

Look at the depth. What's behind Colston? He misses a few games a year or plays hurt... What's after Stills?

4 WR set?

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

rezburna · 04-01-2014, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

We'll probably add Sidney Rice into the fold and draft a receiver or two.

TheOak · 04-01-2014, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston

Stills

Morgan

Draft pick#1

Draft pick #2

-------------

Toon

Tanner

Givens

Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

I'm not up to speed on Givens or Hawkins.

The rest:
Colston - Ave 10.6 starts a season last 3 ... Health

Morgan - Ave 1.6 starts a season last 3

Stills - g2g

Toon - Needs work on hands.

Tanner - love the heart.... Sort of ends there.

We are contenders once again and we need reliable depth. Not superstars, my concerns with both Colston and Morgan are health, they are both outstanding players...... But consistent players on the field running routes.

I'm keeping in mind how dependent our offense is on timing. Drew doesn't throw to the receiver, he throws to the x and the receiver is expected to be there. Polar opposite of Manziel.

hagan714 · 04-02-2014, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

Colston
Stills
-------------
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
Morgan
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

TheOak · 04-02-2014, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA.

I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily.

On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet
Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed.

Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying

Danno · 04-02-2014, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA.

I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily.

On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet
Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed.

Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying

Agreed, I think this will be a draft with all but 1 or maybe 2 players on defense. I can see 2 WR's, RB, OC and an OT with maybe a CB or LB thrown in there. Maybe even a TE too.

I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed.

TheOak · 04-02-2014, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed.

Not sure how, we are rolling into 2014 with the 4th ranked defense and have only upgraded certain positions it since the last game of 2013.

Before 2013 these are the best ranking defenses we have had in Points/game.

Sean Payton Era
2010 -7TH

Back to 1994 Before Sean Payton
2000 10th

Dome Patrol Days
1992 1st
1991 1st
1988 4th
1987 5th
1986 7th

The difference between 4th and 1st in ranking is usually only a fraction or 1-2 points so what offenses they faced has probably more to do with it then a player or two.

Danno · 04-02-2014, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not sure how, we are rolling into 2014 with the 4th ranked defense and have only upgraded certain positions it since the last game of 2013.

Before 2013 these are the best ranking defenses we have had in Points/game.

Sean Payton Era
2010 -7TH

Back to 1994 Before Sean Payton
2000 10th

Dome Patrol Days
1992 1st
1991 1st
1988 4th
1987 5th
1986 7th

The difference between 4th and 1st in ranking is usually only a fraction or 1-2 points so what offenses they faced has probably more to do with it then a player or two.

I'm sure there are many who would be happy if we drafted heavy on defense year in and year out. They're the "Defense Wins Championships" crowd. If they see an all-offense draft they will be very disappointed.

04-01-2014, 05:17 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. I'm not up to speed on Givens or Hawkins. The rest: Colston - Ave 10.6 starts a season last 3 ... Health Morgan - Ave 1.6 starts a season last 3 Stills - g2g Toon - Needs work on hands. Tanner - love the heart.... Sort of ends there. We are contenders once again and we need reliable depth. Not superstars, my concerns with both Colston and Morgan are health, they are both outstanding players...... But consistent players on the field running routes. I'm keeping in mind how dependent our offense is on timing. Drew doesn't throw to the receiver, he throws to the x and the receiver is expected to be there. Polar opposite of Manziel. Danno likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-02-2014, 04:11 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. Colston Stills ------------- Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 Morgan Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Sarik likes this.

04-02-2014, 08:22 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA. I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily. On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed. Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying Sarik likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-02-2014, 08:46 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by TheOak Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA. I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily. On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed. Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying Agreed, I think this will be a draft with all but 1 or maybe 2 players on defense. I can see 2 WR's, RB, OC and an OT with maybe a CB or LB thrown in there. Maybe even a TE too. I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed.

04-02-2014, 10:14 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed. Not sure how, we are rolling into 2014 with the 4th ranked defense and have only upgraded certain positions it since the last game of 2013. Before 2013 these are the best ranking defenses we have had in Points/game. Sean Payton Era 2010 -7TH Back to 1994 Before Sean Payton 2000 10th Dome Patrol Days 1992 1st 1991 1st 1988 4th 1987 5th 1986 7th The difference between 4th and 1st in ranking is usually only a fraction or 1-2 points so what offenses they faced has probably more to do with it then a player or two. Sarik likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-01-2014, 04:27 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by TheOak And 9 more undrafted. Look at the depth. What's behind Colston? He misses a few games a year or plays hurt... What's after Stills? 4 WR set? If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

04-01-2014, 04:35 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. We'll probably add Sidney Rice into the fold and draft a receiver or two.

04-02-2014, 10:19 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by TheOak Not sure how, we are rolling into 2014 with the 4th ranked defense and have only upgraded certain positions it since the last game of 2013. Before 2013 these are the best ranking defenses we have had in Points/game. Sean Payton Era 2010 -7TH Back to 1994 Before Sean Payton 2000 10th Dome Patrol Days 1992 1st 1991 1st 1988 4th 1987 5th 1986 7th The difference between 4th and 1st in ranking is usually only a fraction or 1-2 points so what offenses they faced has probably more to do with it then a player or two. I'm sure there are many who would be happy if we drafted heavy on defense year in and year out. They're the "Defense Wins Championships" crowd. If they see an all-offense draft they will be very disappointed. Sarik likes this.

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