Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet

hennr · 04-05-2014, 11:55 PM

he plays well Saints need to find the money to keep him.most likely a first year loaded deal harder to match but time to redo a contract with another player an find the money.

lee909 · 04-06-2014, 12:25 AM

6 passes defended and 1 interception,60 tackles in 29(586 snsps)games over 2 years. A good player but if the team thought he was worth more they would have offered him the second round tender.
He doesn't want to be here so let him go.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-06-2014, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I don't remember him being great in coverage... Just a hard-hitter. Big gamble for Atlanta.

Keenan Lewis shutting down half the backfield, Kenny Vaccaro in front on you, with Jordan, Galette, and Co. providing pressure on the QB... Saints FS seems a cushy job.

Fans love big hits, and Bush managed to hit 2 receivers hard enough and high enough that they left the game (not to mention that one of them was a stiff wind hitting his face away from another concussion). So I guess that's why the love for Rafael Bush.

I never saw him past being a solid player on a good defense.

Danno · 04-06-2014, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Are you related to him? There are no weaknesses in his game? The guy wasn't good enough to steal the free safety job from the awful Malcolm Jenkins and you're telling me that he's good at everything and there are no weaknesses in his game?! So much so that we went out and broke the bank for Byrd and let Bush go for no compensation?! C'mon man.

Agreed, he was our 3rd/4th safety all season. I'm sure if he were that great he would have been ahead of Harper and Jenkins on the depth chart.

All we had to do to guarantee we'd keep him was to place the 2nd round tender on him for a measly 800K more.

Ryan knew how to use him to his strengths and avoid placing him in spots to be exploited. He helped bracket WR's and TE's and played a lot of deep zone. I don't even remember when Ryan used him manned up on a TE or WR like Vaccaro Harper and Jenkins did.

I have a feeling that as a starter in traditional 2-safety sets, Atlanta is going to find out he's merely an average NFL safety, perhaps slightly above average at best.

hennr · 04-06-2014, 08:54 AM

i think the reason he was not tendered at the 2nd round rate was the fact at that date the saints had hardly any cap space an the minimum tender bought time to cut players trade sproles sign some targeted players etc.the hit he put on the seachiken player in the playoffs set the tone to tell seackens Saints came to play for the rematch game.Its not that much money match it an baring someone gets hurt the Saints are set at the saftey position.will be a big mistake to not match offer of falclowns.

Jack Vegas · 04-06-2014, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Are you related to him? There are no weaknesses in his game? The guy wasn't good enough to steal the free safety job from the awful Malcolm Jenkins and you're telling me that he's good at everything and there are no weaknesses in his game?! So much so that we went out and broke the bank for Byrd and let Bush go for no compensation?! C'mon man.

No, I am not related to him, and saying that he has no weakness in his game is not the same as calling him elite.

And you are wrong about the Jenkins thing as well because by the end of the year Jenkins was playing mostly nickel corner. Bush was the guy covering the deep half of the field, not Jenkins.

Paying 2 million for a player of his caliber is a no-brainer. Safeties that can cover man-to-man, play zone, tackle, hit and get in on running plays near the line of scrimmage don't exactly grow on trees. I don't know what the FO was thinking here.

blackangold · 04-06-2014, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

No, I am not related to him, and saying that he has no weakness in his game is not the same as calling him elite.

And you are wrong about the Jenkins thing as well because by the end of the year Jenkins was playing mostly nickel corner. Bush was the guy covering the deep half of the field, not Jenkins.

Paying 2 million for a player of his caliber is a no-brainer. Safeties that can cover man-to-man, play zone, tackle, hit and get in on running plays near the line of scrimmage don't exactly grow on trees. I don't know what the FO was thinking here.

I agree Bush is a good player and will play well for the ****clowns but the FO is thinking: Lewis, Byrd, Vaccaro and Bailey... I don't know where Bush fits in that picture, not to mention you got White and Robinson still plus the draft.

Jack Vegas · 04-06-2014, 10:30 PM

Don't get me wrong. I almost never doubt the front office in most things they do. But letting Bush go is the one thing they've done so far this offseason that I have a hard time understanding.

I don't think it's going to cripple the secondary or anything like that. But he was a player on the rise. 2 years from now we'll be losing a 38-year-old Champ Bailey to retirement and getting nothing in return, meanwhile Bush will be at his athletic peak and playing for our biggest rival.

|Mitch| · 04-06-2014, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

meanwhile Bush will be at his athletic peak and playing for our biggest rival.

how can you be so sure? From what I saw, Ryan is able to play all his players to their strengths. Can we be sure that Nolan will be able to get the same production from him; without the pass rush that we had last season not too mention the Falcons don't have the secondary we had to help take some of the pressure off...

Jack Vegas · 04-06-2014, 11:55 PM

I only meant in terms of age; it is pretty well-accepted that most athletes peak around the ages of 28-30.

Will Bush be great for the Falcons? I don't know that, because of the reasons you mention. But I do know he was very good for us.

04-05-2014, 11:55 PM	#101
hennr 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 262	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet he plays well Saints need to find the money to keep him.most likely a first year loaded deal harder to match but time to redo a contract with another player an find the money.
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04-06-2014, 12:25 AM	#102
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet 6 passes defended and 1 interception,60 tackles in 29(586 snsps)games over 2 years. A good player but if the team thought he was worth more they would have offered him the second round tender. He doesn't want to be here so let him go. halloween 65 likes this.

04-06-2014, 07:49 AM	#103
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I don't remember him being great in coverage... Just a hard-hitter. Big gamble for Atlanta. Keenan Lewis shutting down half the backfield, Kenny Vaccaro in front on you, with Jordan, Galette, and Co. providing pressure on the QB... Saints FS seems a cushy job. Fans love big hits, and Bush managed to hit 2 receivers hard enough and high enough that they left the game (not to mention that one of them was a stiff wind hitting his face away from another concussion). So I guess that's why the love for Rafael Bush. I never saw him past being a solid player on a good defense. Danno likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Are you related to him? There are no weaknesses in his game? The guy wasn't good enough to steal the free safety job from the awful Malcolm Jenkins and you're telling me that he's good at everything and there are no weaknesses in his game?! So much so that we went out and broke the bank for Byrd and let Bush go for no compensation?! C'mon man. Agreed, he was our 3rd/4th safety all season. I'm sure if he were that great he would have been ahead of Harper and Jenkins on the depth chart. All we had to do to guarantee we'd keep him was to place the 2nd round tender on him for a measly 800K more. Ryan knew how to use him to his strengths and avoid placing him in spots to be exploited. He helped bracket WR's and TE's and played a lot of deep zone. I don't even remember when Ryan used him manned up on a TE or WR like Vaccaro Harper and Jenkins did. I have a feeling that as a starter in traditional 2-safety sets, Atlanta is going to find out he's merely an average NFL safety, perhaps slightly above average at best.

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hennr 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 262	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet i think the reason he was not tendered at the 2nd round rate was the fact at that date the saints had hardly any cap space an the minimum tender bought time to cut players trade sproles sign some targeted players etc.the hit he put on the seachiken player in the playoffs set the tone to tell seackens Saints came to play for the rematch game.Its not that much money match it an baring someone gets hurt the Saints are set at the saftey position.will be a big mistake to not match offer of falclowns.
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04-06-2014, 01:01 PM	#106
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Are you related to him? There are no weaknesses in his game? The guy wasn't good enough to steal the free safety job from the awful Malcolm Jenkins and you're telling me that he's good at everything and there are no weaknesses in his game?! So much so that we went out and broke the bank for Byrd and let Bush go for no compensation?! C'mon man. No, I am not related to him, and saying that he has no weakness in his game is not the same as calling him elite. And you are wrong about the Jenkins thing as well because by the end of the year Jenkins was playing mostly nickel corner. Bush was the guy covering the deep half of the field, not Jenkins. Paying 2 million for a player of his caliber is a no-brainer. Safeties that can cover man-to-man, play zone, tackle, hit and get in on running plays near the line of scrimmage don't exactly grow on trees. I don't know what the FO was thinking here.
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04-06-2014, 01:12 PM	#107
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by Jack Vegas No, I am not related to him, and saying that he has no weakness in his game is not the same as calling him elite. And you are wrong about the Jenkins thing as well because by the end of the year Jenkins was playing mostly nickel corner. Bush was the guy covering the deep half of the field, not Jenkins. Paying 2 million for a player of his caliber is a no-brainer. Safeties that can cover man-to-man, play zone, tackle, hit and get in on running plays near the line of scrimmage don't exactly grow on trees. I don't know what the FO was thinking here. I agree Bush is a good player and will play well for the ****clowns but the FO is thinking: Lewis, Byrd, Vaccaro and Bailey... I don't know where Bush fits in that picture, not to mention you got White and Robinson still plus the draft.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Don't get me wrong. I almost never doubt the front office in most things they do. But letting Bush go is the one thing they've done so far this offseason that I have a hard time understanding. I don't think it's going to cripple the secondary or anything like that. But he was a player on the rise. 2 years from now we'll be losing a 38-year-old Champ Bailey to retirement and getting nothing in return, meanwhile Bush will be at his athletic peak and playing for our biggest rival.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by Jack Vegas meanwhile Bush will be at his athletic peak and playing for our biggest rival. how can you be so sure? From what I saw, Ryan is able to play all his players to their strengths. Can we be sure that Nolan will be able to get the same production from him; without the pass rush that we had last season not too mention the Falcons don't have the secondary we had to help take some of the pressure off...

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet I only meant in terms of age; it is pretty well-accepted that most athletes peak around the ages of 28-30. Will Bush be great for the Falcons? I don't know that, because of the reasons you mention. But I do know he was very good for us. Danno likes this.
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