Saints next QB discussion

TheOak · 04-25-2014, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We've always drafted BPA, so why would that change just because its a QB?

BPA is subjective. If BPA was a known science you could run mock drafts picking BPA and they would all come out the same. Every team grades draft prospects differently.

Because the QB is the foundation of his offense and selecting your next starting QB is arguably the most important decision a head coach ever makes. We are all speculating here, including my self. We have nothing else to go on.

Historically we know absolutely nothing about how Sean Payton would select his next starting QB except that when he had the chance he went with a free agent in a year when he had the #2 pick and all QBs were on the board... Jackson, Cutler, Young, Leinart.

Marlboro Man · 04-25-2014, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So with Sean Payton as coach the QB position is somewhat a commodity?

I am not so sure, it took Payton and Brees a few seasons to get things where they are. Sean didn't just hit the ground running for the first few seasons in NO, Brees was pretty stout before and once he arrived..

Well, when Sean Payton came here, he got Brees, who was damaged goods if you recall. We didn't even know if he'd start the year. He was even on a pitch count all during the offseason, right up to the season opener. You could tell that whole year that Drew's arm strength wasn't what it should be, but got better as the year went on. Also, IIRC, we went to the NFCCG that year and lost to a rigged game by the NFL against the Bears. I'd say that is hitting the ground running pretty much. We only had one off year during the first 4 years. That's pretty substantial in my book. We've only had 2 down years in the 8 years SP has been our coach, and one of those years he wasn't even coaching the team.

Jack Vegas · 04-25-2014, 12:45 PM

Want to see what Griffin's got this preseason. I like his arm and the way he stands in the pocket. He really throws a nice deep ball too, from what I remember.

Michigan_SF · 04-25-2014, 12:51 PM

Isn't there a kid from EIU in the draft?

TheOak · 04-25-2014, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

Well, when Sean Payton came here, he got Brees, who was damaged goods if you recall. We didn't even know if he'd start the year. He was even on a pitch count all during the offseason, right up to the season opener. You could tell that whole year that Drew's arm strength wasn't what it should be, but got better as the year went on. Also, IIRC, we went to the NFCCG that year and lost to a rigged game by the NFL against the Bears. I'd say that is hitting the ground running pretty much. We only had one off year during the first 4 years. That's pretty substantial in my book. We've only had 2 down years in the 8 years SP has been our coach, and one of those years he wasn't even coaching the team.

You lost me on "rigged game " brother.

Pitch count? 554 passing attempts in 2006... More than he ever threw in San Diego and more than he threw in 2009, if Drew had played in and thrown 40 passes in Week 16 that would match what he threw in 2006.

First 4 years.. Not one "off" season
2006 10-6
2007 7-9
2008 8-8
2009 13-3

Add 2012 Which I never do but for the sake of this we had 3 off seasons in the last 8.. Thats 1 from 50/50.

So as I said, it took a few seasons before 2009 when we became consistent, and Brees coming off surgery is nearly as good as Brees before his surgery. Ever look at Brees Charger stats?

65ish % completion
2005 9th in passing yards 4th in TDs
2004 7th in TDs (15 games)

Sean Payton didn't make lemon-aid out of a lemon.

TheOak · 04-25-2014, 01:22 PM

Double post

pumpkindriver · 04-25-2014, 02:49 PM

Great Comments all around on this thread. Drew wasn't Sean's 1st choice for QB, it was Romo but Parcel's wouldn't let him go. If SP had gotten Romo, he'd be headed for the HoF. I sit here, totally confident that Loomis & Payton are on top of the QB issue and when the time comes for Drew to retire, we will have a more than capable guy ready to step in and take the reins.

saintsfan1976 · 04-26-2014, 07:58 AM

Id say Brees success definitely has more to do with Payton. Drew didn't roll into town with a playbook.

Ok, so yes I agree that Drew is that one in 20 QB who could have synced with Payton on a mental level.

The Dude · 04-26-2014, 01:46 PM

I think when Brees retires Payton retires. About 5 years ago he said he couldn't see himself coaching after 5 more years. That was five years ago.

TheOak · 04-26-2014, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think when Brees retires Payton retires. About 5 years ago he said he couldn't see himself coaching after 5 more years. That was five years ago.

Do what?!?!

Provide source where Sean Payton said that during out Super Bowl season after being a head coach for only 3 seasons.

04-25-2014, 08:46 AM	#11
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Saints next QB discussion Originally Posted by dizzle88 We've always drafted BPA, so why would that change just because its a QB? BPA is subjective. If BPA was a known science you could run mock drafts picking BPA and they would all come out the same. Every team grades draft prospects differently. Because the QB is the foundation of his offense and selecting your next starting QB is arguably the most important decision a head coach ever makes. We are all speculating here, including my self. We have nothing else to go on. Historically we know absolutely nothing about how Sean Payton would select his next starting QB except that when he had the chance he went with a free agent in a year when he had the #2 pick and all QBs were on the board... Jackson, Cutler, Young, Leinart. Jamessr likes this.
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04-25-2014, 11:55 AM	#12
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Saints next QB discussion Originally Posted by TheOak So with Sean Payton as coach the QB position is somewhat a commodity? I am not so sure, it took Payton and Brees a few seasons to get things where they are. Sean didn't just hit the ground running for the first few seasons in NO, Brees was pretty stout before and once he arrived.. Well, when Sean Payton came here, he got Brees, who was damaged goods if you recall. We didn't even know if he'd start the year. He was even on a pitch count all during the offseason, right up to the season opener. You could tell that whole year that Drew's arm strength wasn't what it should be, but got better as the year went on. Also, IIRC, we went to the NFCCG that year and lost to a rigged game by the NFL against the Bears. I'd say that is hitting the ground running pretty much. We only had one off year during the first 4 years. That's pretty substantial in my book. We've only had 2 down years in the 8 years SP has been our coach, and one of those years he wasn't even coaching the team.

04-25-2014, 12:45 PM	#13
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints next QB discussion Want to see what Griffin's got this preseason. I like his arm and the way he stands in the pocket. He really throws a nice deep ball too, from what I remember. foreverfan likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Saints next QB discussion Originally Posted by Marlboro Man Well, when Sean Payton came here, he got Brees, who was damaged goods if you recall. We didn't even know if he'd start the year. He was even on a pitch count all during the offseason, right up to the season opener. You could tell that whole year that Drew's arm strength wasn't what it should be, but got better as the year went on. Also, IIRC, we went to the NFCCG that year and lost to a rigged game by the NFL against the Bears. I'd say that is hitting the ground running pretty much. We only had one off year during the first 4 years. That's pretty substantial in my book. We've only had 2 down years in the 8 years SP has been our coach, and one of those years he wasn't even coaching the team. You lost me on "rigged game " brother. Pitch count? 554 passing attempts in 2006... More than he ever threw in San Diego and more than he threw in 2009, if Drew had played in and thrown 40 passes in Week 16 that would match what he threw in 2006. First 4 years.. Not one "off" season 2006 10-6 2007 7-9 2008 8-8 2009 13-3 Add 2012 Which I never do but for the sake of this we had 3 off seasons in the last 8.. Thats 1 from 50/50. So as I said, it took a few seasons before 2009 when we became consistent, and Brees coming off surgery is nearly as good as Brees before his surgery. Ever look at Brees Charger stats? 65ish % completion 2005 9th in passing yards 4th in TDs 2004 7th in TDs (15 games) Sean Payton didn't make lemon-aid out of a lemon.
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pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Saints next QB discussion Great Comments all around on this thread. Drew wasn't Sean's 1st choice for QB, it was Romo but Parcel's wouldn't let him go. If SP had gotten Romo, he'd be headed for the HoF. I sit here, totally confident that Loomis & Payton are on top of the QB issue and when the time comes for Drew to retire, we will have a more than capable guy ready to step in and take the reins. Seer1 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints next QB discussion Id say Brees success definitely has more to do with Payton. Drew didn't roll into town with a playbook. Ok, so yes I agree that Drew is that one in 20 QB who could have synced with Payton on a mental level.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Saints next QB discussion I think when Brees retires Payton retires. About 5 years ago he said he couldn't see himself coaching after 5 more years. That was five years ago.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Saints next QB discussion Originally Posted by The Dude I think when Brees retires Payton retires. About 5 years ago he said he couldn't see himself coaching after 5 more years. That was five years ago. Do what?!?! Provide source where Sean Payton said that during out Super Bowl season after being a head coach for only 3 seasons.

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