How excited are you to see the Defense this year!!

alleycat_126 · 05-11-2014, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt....

I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc)

hagan714 · 05-12-2014, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt....

I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc)

i like the pick but i am also trying to objective about the kid. I also agree he was the best CB on the board at the time. There really is no pressure i agree also. CB was not an area of greatest need IMO to begin with.

I like the pick I can accept the pick but it was not a pick of great need IMO. He was the best CB on the board but not the BPA so it was a reach. I honestly thought Allen Roberston, Morgan Mosses, Charles Sim, Marcus Martin, were BPA ahead of him to name a few. so we reached a bit on need so be it. i am cool with it.

In a few years we will absolute love this pick IMO.

TheOak · 05-12-2014, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)

hagan714 · 05-12-2014, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)

Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.

nola_swammi · 05-11-2014, 04:25 PM

Whodat! Won't surprise me if we have the top defense for 2015

TheKillerBs · 05-11-2014, 06:24 PM

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

dizzle88 · 05-11-2014, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheKillerBs

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

I've always had the feeling when listening to meachem talk in interviews that he's never been the brightest kid in the class and the reason he didnt play his rookie season is because payton was unhappy that meachem couldnt grasp the offense - lining up in the wrong spot etc

cooks has played in a similar type offense to ours with the same route concepts, plus he seems to be a smart guy so I don't think he will struggle at all

The Dude · 05-11-2014, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by TheKillerBs

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

I don't know if he ever really got it going. I never much cared for his play.He was good enough but not the difference maker you hope to get as a first round wipeout.

brees84 · 05-11-2014, 06:34 PM

He is nothing like meachem. He is pro ready. I don't see many rookie WRs who are ready to contibute from day 1. Cooks, watkins and maybe a few more.

The Dude · 05-11-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

He is nothing like meachem. He is pro ready. I don't see many rookie WRs who are ready to contibute from day 1. Cooks, watkins and maybe a few more.

Yea and CBs are kinda the same way. Usually take a couple of years to really hit their stride. I hope Baptiste is as ready as Cooks. Sounds to me like he is a little more raw than some of the others that were picked around him but has more of an upside.

05-11-2014, 09:51 PM	#1
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by hagan714 Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time. Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs. recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns. the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going. trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him. Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time. How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt.... I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc) hagan714 likes this.
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05-12-2014, 05:56 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by alleycat_126 How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt.... I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc) i like the pick but i am also trying to objective about the kid. I also agree he was the best CB on the board at the time. There really is no pressure i agree also. CB was not an area of greatest need IMO to begin with. I like the pick I can accept the pick but it was not a pick of great need IMO. He was the best CB on the board but not the BPA so it was a reach. I honestly thought Allen Roberston, Morgan Mosses, Charles Sim, Marcus Martin, were BPA ahead of him to name a few. so we reached a bit on need so be it. i am cool with it. In a few years we will absolute love this pick IMO. alleycat_126 likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by hagan714 Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time. Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs. recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns. the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going. trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him. Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time. Thanks..... Question for you. Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by TheOak Thanks..... Question for you. Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order) Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe. short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth. Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage. TheOak likes this.
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by TheKillerBs Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.) I've always had the feeling when listening to meachem talk in interviews that he's never been the brightest kid in the class and the reason he didnt play his rookie season is because payton was unhappy that meachem couldnt grasp the offense - lining up in the wrong spot etc cooks has played in a similar type offense to ours with the same route concepts, plus he seems to be a smart guy so I don't think he will struggle at all TheKillerBs and ChrisXVI like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by TheKillerBs Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.) I don't know if he ever really got it going. I never much cared for his play.He was good enough but not the difference maker you hope to get as a first round wipeout.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by brees84 He is nothing like meachem. He is pro ready. I don't see many rookie WRs who are ready to contibute from day 1. Cooks, watkins and maybe a few more. Yea and CBs are kinda the same way. Usually take a couple of years to really hit their stride. I hope Baptiste is as ready as Cooks. Sounds to me like he is a little more raw than some of the others that were picked around him but has more of an upside.
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