How excited are you to see the Defense this year!!

TheOak · 05-11-2014, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

should be pretty much the same stuff. except for players coming of IR. that should make it fun. drafted players? i want to see our CB in action and see how much he needs to learn. as for the rest they should upgrade special teams right away

I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

The Dude · 05-11-2014, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

Why?

TheOak · 05-12-2014, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why?

As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

Seer1 · 05-12-2014, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

Hey, it's the B1G. Nobody there get s much practice against the pass until they hit the big league...

TheOak · 05-12-2014, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Hey, it's the B1G. Nobody there get s much practice against the pass until they hit the big league...

Silver lining.... No bad habits?

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The Dude · 05-12-2014, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

I am too. I am wondering if that conference is maybe built around a strong running game as opposed to a passing game with QBs with big arms and big receivers. IDK I don't watch much college ball anymore. Especially outside of the SEC.

hagan714 · 05-11-2014, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

The Dude · 05-11-2014, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway.

hagan714 · 05-11-2014, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway.

see that is the big issue with him. do you really know because he has played the position for just two years. At times you will want to throw some thing at the TV when he gives up inside position so easily. Other times he will amaze you. take the good with bad.

Right now the first thing he must do is get more physical because in no way is he ready to cover anything but tall lumbering WR and TE. I feel pretty good about him covering Mike Evens or Kevin Benjamin. if he gets more aggressive. which i think he can pick up pretty fast with pro coaching. Plus forcing him to cover Jimmy in practice will help big time

Allen Robinson and Jordan Mathews might make me a bit antsy. they are a bit more speedy finesse WR. But that is were Colston can help the kid

Anything faster or quicker i would be holding my breath. let him chase cook around the feild if you think he is getting to cocky

This is a long term developmental project all riding on this kids upside. man o man coverage with limited flexibility as to his package use is where i see him right now. he is a specialty nickle and dime guy. no way is he ready to start.

second round was a reach IMO for any of the CB left on the board but the saints hand may have been forced by trading away their third round pick. same goes for OC. they were all gone for the most part by round 4. SP drafting of cook limited us big time.

but SP must have his toys.

If you are to take reach SJB was a solid pick at CB of the ones left. If he gets it all together he can be a turn over machine. best hands of any well he was a WR.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by hagan714 should be pretty much the same stuff. except for players coming of IR. that should make it fun. drafted players? i want to see our CB in action and see how much he needs to learn. as for the rest they should upgrade special teams right away I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by The Dude Why? As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by Seer1 Hey, it's the B1G. Nobody there get s much practice against the pass until they hit the big league... Silver lining.... No bad habits?

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by TheOak As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking. I am too. I am wondering if that conference is maybe built around a strong running game as opposed to a passing game with QBs with big arms and big receivers. IDK I don't watch much college ball anymore. Especially outside of the SEC.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by TheOak I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that? Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time. Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs. recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns. the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going. trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him. Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time. B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by hagan714 Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time. Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs. recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns. the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going. trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him. Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time. The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway. hagan714 likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!! Originally Posted by The Dude The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway. see that is the big issue with him. do you really know because he has played the position for just two years. At times you will want to throw some thing at the TV when he gives up inside position so easily. Other times he will amaze you. take the good with bad. Right now the first thing he must do is get more physical because in no way is he ready to cover anything but tall lumbering WR and TE. I feel pretty good about him covering Mike Evens or Kevin Benjamin. if he gets more aggressive. which i think he can pick up pretty fast with pro coaching. Plus forcing him to cover Jimmy in practice will help big time Allen Robinson and Jordan Mathews might make me a bit antsy. they are a bit more speedy finesse WR. But that is were Colston can help the kid Anything faster or quicker i would be holding my breath. let him chase cook around the feild if you think he is getting to cocky This is a long term developmental project all riding on this kids upside. man o man coverage with limited flexibility as to his package use is where i see him right now. he is a specialty nickle and dime guy. no way is he ready to start. second round was a reach IMO for any of the CB left on the board but the saints hand may have been forced by trading away their third round pick. same goes for OC. they were all gone for the most part by round 4. SP drafting of cook limited us big time. but SP must have his toys. If you are to take reach SJB was a solid pick at CB of the ones left. If he gets it all together he can be a turn over machine. best hands of any well he was a WR.
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