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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hagan714 Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to ...

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Old 05-12-2014, 07:40 AM   #1
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Re: How excited are you to see the Defense this year!!

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Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)
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Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)
Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.
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Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon.

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.

Thanks.... I'm not well versed in DBs. I'm a lineman..... Both sides of the ball.
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Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.
Off man...YES. Ah, but press man at the LOS, that is where I think this secondary is headed; and Baptiste would probably be good at that. You are correct I would not want Baptiste covering a fast WR one on one without first having knocked him off his intended route.

Calvin Pryor is a safety, and probably wouldn't be man up anyway.
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